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How Dogecoin changed my perspective on cryptocurrency

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Re: How Dogecoin changed my perspective on cryptocurrency

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Here we have more evidence of the miraculous ability of crypto currencies to turn unassuming computer programmers into economics experts. Let's take a look at some choice quotes. There’s no inherent reason that a piece of paper has a certain amount of value. There is a subjective reason, though: namely, that a large enough number of people agree that USD is a worthwhile commodity. They believe that for a number of re…

> Currencies aren't like some weird subset of commodities.

I have a chart that is just begging to disagree with you:

https://www.google.com/search?q=usd+vs.+euro

To wit, "Currencies! So stability! Wowe!" A mere 25% fluctuation over the past 5 years! And at the scale of the Euro and the USD, no less!

Also, if currencies were as magically stable as you presume, then "currency trader" wouldn't be a thing. This also wouldn't be a thing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_exchange_controls

Also,

> dogecoin denominated debt

Cryptocurrencies don't allow credit/debt systems. Just like I can't carry a "negative cash value". You either have cryptocurrency or you don't. And before you respond with "well then how would people buy houses and pay for college?", note that college costs have gone up BECAUSE of student loan availability, not IN SPITE OF it. And you know what? It's about time this happened, because fuck debt slavery.

Re: How Dogecoin changed my perspective on cryptocurrency

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Well we could always make a new worthless currency. And set it so it intentionally inflates infinitely so that this can't happen. Zimbabwe-coin maybe.

Dogecoin actually will inflate indefinitely by 5% a year. Mining will never stop.

Really? Wikipedia claims there's a finite limit.

Re: How Dogecoin changed my perspective on cryptocurrency

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post #58

I was in the early days of Dogecoin and it was fun BECAUSE it was worthless. Give out 10k on a lark for a funny picture, etc. Now that's it's being seen a real story of value, rather than a tool to send a bit of karma around... it's kinda losing the fun. Serious investor/speculator people are buying and selling, arbitrage between exchanges, absolutely massive GPU farms that out mine anything regular person could get.…

Well we could always make a new worthless currency. And set it so it intentionally inflates infinitely so that this can't happen. Zimbabwe-coin maybe.

I'll buy into a cryptocurrency as soon as I see one that doesn't have the extreme built-in deflation of bitcoin etc. With the cornucopia of alternates surely there should be one.

Re: How Dogecoin changed my perspective on cryptocurrency

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post #83

Here we have more evidence of the miraculous ability of crypto currencies to turn unassuming computer programmers into economics experts. Let's take a look at some choice quotes. There’s no inherent reason that a piece of paper has a certain amount of value. There is a subjective reason, though: namely, that a large enough number of people agree that USD is a worthwhile commodity. They believe that for a number of re…

> Currencies aren't like some weird subset of commodities. I have a chart that is just begging to disagree with you: https://www.google.com/search?q=usd+vs.+euro To wit, "Currencies! So stability! Wowe!" A mere 25% fluctuation over the past 5 years! And at the scale of the Euro and the USD, no less! Also, if currencies were as magically stable as you presume, then "currency trader" wouldn't be a thing. This also woul…

Cryptocurrencies don't allow credit/debt systems.

Sure they do. If you lend me 5 crypto coins with the understanding that I'll repay you 6 crypto coins next year then we have a system of credit. The invention of credit predates the invention of money by thousands of years. In ancient times people would borrow seed under an agreement to repay at the harvest with associated penalties for default.

Re: How Dogecoin changed my perspective on cryptocurrency

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Every transaction to every address is public with blockchain technology. The tricky bit is associating an address with a particular human... This would affect any attempt at making something like this. I'm not sure that you can enforce the human/address connection in software.

> I'm not sure that you can enforce the human/address connection in software. It's a hard challenge, but not impossible. Online banking (mostly) works because it's possible.

That's not enforced by the software. And a person can have more than one bank account.

Re: How Dogecoin changed my perspective on cryptocurrency

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post #57

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I disagree. Dogecoin has the backing of one of the strongest communities on the internet. It's quite feasible to see it as a virtual currency used to pay for online goods, such as karma, games, or media. It's friendliness means it may be adopted by the majority of consumers, who are scared off by the volatility and high price of bitcoins. What needs to happen? First, it needs to distance itself from the meme part of…

Dogecoin is a joke, not a currency (a good joke, but a joke nonetheless), it is not the official reddit currency, that would be reddit gold.

Reddit gold is a product or service, not a currency. You cannot trade it.

Re: How Dogecoin changed my perspective on cryptocurrency

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I'd argue that cryptocurrencies have a fair amount of commodity worth to them. The security of the coin is enabled by work put into the system by miners. Hypothetically there is some value in linking a commodity compute operation to crypto coin value. BTW, I looked to see if there was a correlation between oil commodity and USD, and here's what I found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrocurrency Note the bit about oi…

" I'd argue that cryptocurrencies have a fair amount of commodity worth to them. The security of the coin is enabled by work put into the system by miners. Hypothetically there is some value in linking a commodity compute operation to crypto coin value. " You got causality backwards. Intrinsic value is what you can get out of a commodity, not what you spent putting into it. I can spend $100,000 cooking a hotdog over…

A cryptographically secure currency network is infinitely more valuable than a warm hotdog.

Via Wikipedia: causality is the relation between an event (the cause) and a second event (the effect), where the second event is understood as a consequence of the first.

In this example, the consequence of proof-of-work (mining and transaction validation) gives way to a distributed trust effect (crypto currency). i.e. work put into the system by miners gives the value of trust and security to the currency.

Re: How Dogecoin changed my perspective on cryptocurrency

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I'd argue that cryptocurrencies have a fair amount of commodity worth to them. The security of the coin is enabled by work put into the system by miners. Hypothetically there is some value in linking a commodity compute operation to crypto coin value. BTW, I looked to see if there was a correlation between oil commodity and USD, and here's what I found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrocurrency Note the bit about oi…

I spend a bunch of money buying electricity to run my electric kettle but that doesn't mean there's a huge market for selling hot water.

You are correct, but your statement doesn't make a valid comparative argument against mine. Read up on the value of proof of work: http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

Re: How Dogecoin changed my perspective on cryptocurrency

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"oil tends to be priced in dollars internationally" And when that doesn't happen, suddenly they have the CIA overthrowing their leader, creating terrorists groups for false-flag operations, the US government spreading lies about WMDs, and then the entire army can go and fight the illegal (by international laws) war on terror. There should be a war on ignorance, so that we don't have to read comments like yours anymor…

When oil isn't priced in USD what do you think it will be priced in? And what do you think CIA will be able to do about it?

Euros or dinars, or anything that looks less of a ponzi scheme than the USD.

What will the CIA be able to do? What I said, overthrow their democratically elected leader, create terrorist groups, etc:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...

You might also have heard of Libya...?

Re: How Dogecoin changed my perspective on cryptocurrency

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" I'd argue that cryptocurrencies have a fair amount of commodity worth to them. The security of the coin is enabled by work put into the system by miners. Hypothetically there is some value in linking a commodity compute operation to crypto coin value. " You got causality backwards. Intrinsic value is what you can get out of a commodity, not what you spent putting into it. I can spend $100,000 cooking a hotdog over…

A cryptographically secure currency network is infinitely more valuable than a warm hotdog. Via Wikipedia: causality is the relation between an event (the cause) and a second event (the effect), where the second event is understood as a consequence of the first. In this example, the consequence of proof-of-work (mining and transaction validation) gives way to a distributed trust effect (crypto currency). i.e. work pu…

A cryptographically secure currency network is infinitely more valuable than a warm hotdog.

Conversely, a global food distribution network is infinitely more valuable than a single dollar. You're conflating two radically unrelated things: the utility of the existence of a monetary system, with the concrete value of a specific instance of currency. The value of USD doesn't derive from the abstract utility of money. 1920's German hyperinflation didn't reflect people deciding that money systems, in general, are worthless.

Understanding that we're talking over each other:

* I have no doubt that cryptocurrency's utility is "enabled" by the effort spent in cryptographic validation;

* I'm saying it's value does not derive from that cost; it is not causally linked

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