About PayPal's Node vs Java “fight”

Post by ebiester » Sat, Dec 14, 2013, 1:41 AM UTC

pron wrote: post #144

ebiester wrote: post #117

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Dropwizard is a bit heavy by Node standards. The health checks, in the NPM-style system, would be its own package. The configuration class would be its own package. Resources would be their own package. Liquibase or Freemarker wouldn't be built in, nor would JDBI. I think of Dropwizard much like express for node, and most of the "cool kids" in the node community think that that's just too much for a single library. I…

I'm sorry, I may have been misunderstood. I meant that Dropwizard exemplifies how you can pick and choose components, those atomic libraries, into a "framework" of your choosing. Dropwizard contains very little code. It's just an assembly of the parts you wished existed, and the proof that those parts already exist.

Post by tn13 » Sat, Dec 14, 2013, 1:52 AM UTC

Post by camus2 » Sat, Dec 14, 2013, 2:10 AM UTC

pron wrote: post #74

camus2 wrote: post #46

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> how many C++ projects do that out there? Not as many as the Java counterpart. I'm not sure this is a good argument. Projects where performance is critical are coded in C/C++ , not in java ( browsers , AAA games , databases , servers , micro-controllers , oses... ). C/C++ programming is not about writing 'elegant' code with FactoryFactories , but performances. Even if it means using very basic data structures instea…

> Projects where performance is critical are coded in C/C++ , not in java ( browsers , AAA games , databases , servers , micro-controllers , oses... ). This is not true. C++ beats Java performance in constrained environments . On servers the situation is not so clear-cut. You see some really fast Java databases. And BTW, Java is better at inlining functions than C++, but C++ handily beats Java when it comes to contro…

Post by rbanffy » Sat, Dec 14, 2013, 3:06 AM UTC

barrkel wrote: post #158

_random_ wrote: post #149

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And some languages don't check types for you before running the code and it's almost 2014 now, can you imagine?

Ruby, Python, even PHP checks the types of values before executing operations on the values.

Post by rdmckenzie » Sat, Dec 14, 2013, 3:57 AM UTC

radicalbyte wrote: post #44

ebiester wrote: post #28

I fantasize about rebuilding the java ecosystem. Create "JPM", don't allow anything from the old Maven system in it. Create a new "hip" minimalist framework that ignores everything about java and its notions of OOP. Basic dependency management handled NPM-style. Developers encourage to put everything in the same package for their own stuff, and everything is package level. Getters and setters and encapsulation and ja…

You've basically described C#: Getters, setters fixed? Check. Functional features? Check. Most crappy OO features fixed? Check. Trendy package system inspired by npm/apt-get/gems? Check. Healthy community with libraries replacing frameworks? Check. I'd recommend checking it out if you haven't already.