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Re: The Impossible Music of Black MIDI

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Have you ever played a Bösendorfer Imperial?

Yes. I can do you one better, I've even played the piano discussed here http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/03/international/europe/03RUS...

If you can not understand the difference between these instruments and a for example a Kawai MP10 than any discussion is meaningless.

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No soul, is not imprecision. It is the expression of humans feelings in form of variation of duration, velocity, loudness. For example speed in music is like speed in breathing. You are not breathing with the same speed all the time. It depends on the context. If you are in a hurry you breathe fast and short. If you sigh you breathe deep and slow. An interpret has to understand the emotions that should be transported…

> duration, velocity, loudness Then harpsichords have no soul and Bach would like to have a word with you.

It is known that Bach improvised about his works during performances. That means he even left the written notes.

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Yes it is. The orchestra is the computer.

You say that a computer is equivalent to an orchestra?

I say that an old washboard and a bucket of nails can be the equivalent of an orchestra. A computer is no different an instrument in a musicians hands than any other instrument.

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He's making a more fundamental mistake, borne by his lack of emotional range. He's arguing that every poem cannot have a soul, only during the recitation of a poem, by a live performer, can the work take on the kind of soulful meaning. Yet this criteria, a human must perform art for it to have a soul, eliminates all non-performance art. Painting, sculpture, etc. all has no soul. Yet this is obviously not true. A grea…

Do you know and understand the painting "This is not a pipe" by Margritte?

That painting hangs in pretty much every independent coffee shop and cafe in probably 50 countries.

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> duration, velocity, loudness Then harpsichords have no soul and Bach would like to have a word with you.

It is known that Bach improvised about his works during performances. That means he even left the written notes.

A harpsichord pretty much fails your "test" for "instruments with souls".

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Yes. I can do you one better, I've even played the piano discussed here http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/03/international/europe/03RUS...

If you can not understand the difference between these instruments and a for example a Kawai MP10 than any discussion is meaningless.

I've also played wooden spoons, a TB-303, TR-808, TR-909, Classical Violin, Appalachian fiddle, Classical Cello, Classical Piano, Piano Moderne, Three kinds of Organ, Several Synths, Tracker, Marimba, Xylophone, 북, 장고, Kazoo, Slide Whistle, Pot and Pan, 5-gallon drum, Hang, Recorder (modern and classical), flute, penny whistle, Appalachian dulcimer, Hammered Dulcimer, 꽹과리, 자바라, and on and on and on. I'm not even uniquely qualified to comment on this because music is a universe, not a spectrum.

If you can't create beautiful, soulful, music on a Kawai MP10, or even a bag or sand, then I question your authority on music. You rely on expensive instruments as crutches to fill in your musicality, when you need to develop your own. Start with simple instruments and when you can put soul into a pair of wooden spoons then you can move on to more expressive instruments.

Somebody who can't perform with soul on a Kawai MP10, then any discussion is more than meaningless because you've limited soulful musicality to such a tiny fraction of music and instruments in the world that you definition is effectively useless.

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I'm actually only referring to a couple of places in Prelude in C# minor. Most of the song is "almost impossible" for one reason or another, but there are a couple of places near the end where the lower octaves and the upper freakish chords are played simultaneously. The 9th and 11th measure from the end, to be precise. Even Rachmaninoff with his freak hands had to roll that.

It's not a song, it's a prelude. And actually not very technically difficult, one reason for its immediate and enduring popularity. The simultaneous chords are just played very quickly one after the other and not "rolled".

"not very technically difficult" is a matter of perspective. It's about as difficult a piece as any student or amateur is ever going to play or be exposed to and few students or amateurs are skilled enough to play it.

But it is accessible to amateurs, and sounds very impressive. Which is, as you noted, a good reason why it's so popular. It's a good piece to pull out when you want to show off.

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If you can not understand the difference between these instruments and a for example a Kawai MP10 than any discussion is meaningless.

I've also played wooden spoons, a TB-303, TR-808, TR-909, Classical Violin, Appalachian fiddle, Classical Cello, Classical Piano, Piano Moderne, Three kinds of Organ, Several Synths, Tracker, Marimba, Xylophone, 북, 장고, Kazoo, Slide Whistle, Pot and Pan, 5-gallon drum, Hang, Recorder (modern and classical), flute, penny whistle, Appalachian dulcimer, Hammered Dulcimer, 꽹과리, 자바라, and on and on and on. I'm not even uniq…

I did not say that I can not perform on a MP10. I regularly do, because of practical reasons. All I said is that the Hofmann or any other hand made piano is much better because it has a soul. Just look in the worlds concert halls and see what word class classical pianists prefer.

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You say that a computer is equivalent to an orchestra?

I say that an old washboard and a bucket of nails can be the equivalent of an orchestra. A computer is no different an instrument in a musicians hands than any other instrument.

My only possible conclusion of your saying is that you have never heard a good big orchestra.
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