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Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by hellbanTHIS »

jimwalsh wrote: post #140
algorias wrote: post #2

With each passing day, I look less and less like a lunatic for avoiding facebook (and its ilk) like the plague. You should try it.

I love how the HN type of people come into Facebook threads like this claiming that using the site is bad and that they are above everyone for never using it. It's not that simple for people that aren't in the same circles as HN readers. Younger generations utilize it as their primary means of keeping in touch with people. That's fine if you get along well without it. But take a step back and look at all the teenager…

Do younger people really use Facebook though? The only person I actually know who still uses it is my Grandma, who just plays scrabble on it.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by jkrems »

hobs wrote: post #149
jimwalsh wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love how the HN type of people come into Facebook threads like this claiming that using the site is bad and that they are above everyone for never using it. It's not that simple for people that aren't in the same circles as HN readers. Younger generations utilize it as their primary means of keeping in touch with people. That's fine if you get along well without it. But take a step back and look at all the teenager…

I understand your point, but it IS that simple. My social network completely uses facebook, I do not. They invite me to things in person and respect my choice, and if they didn't, they would not be my social network. It seems you are talking about boils down to peer pressure ... how many after school specials about how not to give in do we need?

Which risk is easier to judge and would seem smaller for 90% of teens: "I miss some (or even most) of my peer's social events" or "Facebook may give certain government agencies my information". Resisting peer pressure is a risk assessment and without some impressive "here's what smoking does to your body"-pictures it's a hard sell.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by kamjam »

DominikR wrote: post #32

I am going to get a lot of downvotes for this but I am still curious to hear what solutions the HN community could come up with for the problem Facebook is facing: Some of the accounts have been hacked. You locked the accounts as a security measure. Now you need to validate that some person is the actual owner of the account. How would you solve this problem? (Sending a code via text message to the owners mobile devi…

I recently went abroad and due to a couple of issues I had to reinstall the OS on my phone (I did this during the flight). Since my Facebook app was not authorized on this phone I had to go through "extended verification" because Facebook had identified I was not logging in from my usual location. Verification involved looking at 10 or so photo's and verifying friends which they had identified. There was also the option of FB emailing a verification (I seem to recall).

The point is, they already have the means of verifying accounts without requiring mail in of government ID. If this was for a "business page" then uploading company documents etc to verify ownership, particularly in cases of dispute, makes sense but for personal accounts there really is no benefit (except to Facebook for some bizarre reason)

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by CaptainZapp »

algorias wrote: post #2

With each passing day, I look less and less like a lunatic for avoiding facebook (and its ilk) like the plague. You should try it.

Why exactly would it be lunatic not to use Facebook?

I "deleted" my account about 18 month ago to no ill effect, whatsoever (except having more time for more worthy ventures)

I really don't mean to take the piss on you, but I'm constantly surprised in how people perceive Facebook and other social networks as an absolutely essential utility. Like phone service, electricity, water, or even financial services.

I vehemently don't feel this to be the case.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by imgabe »

algorias wrote: post #2

With each passing day, I look less and less like a lunatic for avoiding facebook (and its ilk) like the plague. You should try it.

Can you name a single, actual negative consequence that someone has experienced from Facebook, aside from people who lost jobs due to their own foolishness in making information public?

So, Facebook asks for an ID to verify your identity because your account as behaving suspiciously. What's the downside of this? Are government agents going to burst into your home and arrest you?

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by jkrems »

sneak wrote: post #104
probably_wrong wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to point out that your amendments do not solve the problems you mention, as they fail to include how your choices affect others. A variant of the two-body problem, if you will. Let's pick drugs. Half of the drugs regulations deal with keeping you from killing yourself, which your approach would simplify (although sounds like a variant of "let's solve stupidity by removing warning labels and let the problem s…

"Some people are irresponsible" does not justify the universal deployment of terrible and profound oppression such as you describe. Indeed, we have attempted it. Remember prohibition? We still have myriad addicts, have wasted unconscionable amounts of money, and senselessly ruined staggering amounts of lives attempting to pretend that society has claims to or on the physical body of an individual. If the "burden on s…

I'm not sure about the US, but in Germany at least heavy taxation of cigarettes and alcohol is justified by "burden on society". There are more than two options (not do anything vs. outlaw).

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by mkhalil »

Facebook is still that popular? I deactivated years ago and never cared to go back. I will activate every once in a while, check the feed, and leave. I have over 1000 friends, but the feed has slowed down to an extreme and it's mostly mommy/kid pictures now. A lot of people in my social circles agree too. It's pretty irrelevant as far as our social lives go. Instagram + Twitter is still pretty active. Hmm..wonder if it's bigger in other states/countries.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by Zikes »

imgabe wrote: post #165
algorias wrote: post #2

With each passing day, I look less and less like a lunatic for avoiding facebook (and its ilk) like the plague. You should try it.

Can you name a single, actual negative consequence that someone has experienced from Facebook, aside from people who lost jobs due to their own foolishness in making information public? So, Facebook asks for an ID to verify your identity because your account as behaving suspiciously. What's the downside of this? Are government agents going to burst into your home and arrest you?

1. Facebook asks for your ID.

2. You give Facebook your ID.

3. Facebook gets hacked.

4. Someone uses your identity to commit a crime.

5. Government agents burst into your home and arrest you.

Or they get credit cards in your name and run your credit score into the ground, which would likely take years to clear up (if ever).

Next up: Facebook isn't sure you're really the gender, height, and weight you say you are. Please provide full body nude photos for verification.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by wmeredith »

jimwalsh wrote: post #140
algorias wrote: post #2

With each passing day, I look less and less like a lunatic for avoiding facebook (and its ilk) like the plague. You should try it.

I love how the HN type of people come into Facebook threads like this claiming that using the site is bad and that they are above everyone for never using it. It's not that simple for people that aren't in the same circles as HN readers. Younger generations utilize it as their primary means of keeping in touch with people. That's fine if you get along well without it. But take a step back and look at all the teenager…

This argument basically boils down to "everyone else is doing it". That's nuts. This is no reason to keep doing something against your own self-interest. Replace the word Facebook with texting while driving and reread your comment.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by bovermyer »

Meh. The government already knows I use Facebook. Facebook can extrapolate anything about me using the information it already has, including, I imagine, my driver's license number and social security number.

I really don't care at this point. I'm too deeply connected now to retract any of it.

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