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At 16, Ganesh got a job in Qatar. Two months later he was dead

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levosmetalo wrote: post #57
jbooth wrote: post #23

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My usual take on these things is it's more about money and what you can get away with locally than the character of the religions themselves. Lots of very christian Americans had very christian outlooks on slavery being legal in the 1850s, and on unequal rights being the way of things (noah and ham) up until the 1960s. If I were looking for a religion that didn't have a history of justifying slavery, I'd point to may…

Well, there are different flavours of crhistianity as well as different flavours of islam. While christian Americans did indeed support slavery, the eastern (Orthodox) christianity was never involved in such behaviour. I'm pretty sure that not all islamic countries were openly supporting slavery, it's just the desert ones. That being said, I agree that it's more middle east phenomenon that islam phenomenon. The other…

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Post by konstruktor »

levosmetalo wrote: post #103
konstruktor wrote: post #65

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Women not being allowed to vote is actually an inherent flaw of democracy: Those who are allowed to vote decide who else may vote. All democratic countries make this kind of decision for many groups. Voting age, if and when immigrants may vote, whether to let people convicted of a felony or prisoners vote: all of these are cases of the voters deciding on who else will share their privilege. Switzerland was just sligh…

So you want to say that just because it's called democracy, the voters have the right to deprive the other of basic human rights? The same way as in ancient Greek/Athens democracy where we had both free elections by popular vote and slaves.

I was, obviously, saying the very opposite, i.e. that what you are describing is an inherent flaw of democracy, and that some discrimination is just more obvious for cultural reasons. Usually, institutions like the supreme court save the day in the worst cases, but when this control fails, like with the popular votes in Switzerland on Voting rights for women, democracies can be quite barbaric.

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Post by saljam »

abup wrote: post #111
saljam wrote: post #96

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Way to go on creating an completely irrelevant religious flamewar. As others have said, Islam has nothing to do with this. This, as others have pointed out, is a case of rich-exploits-poor. Unsurprisingly, with the full support of the law. Exit visa laws, for example, aren't exclusive to the Middle East. (Actually, of the Middle East, only Qatar and Saudi Arabia have it.) The Soviet Union had them, Uzbekistan still h…

I am from Nepal. Where did you get that information from? Nepal does not have exit visas the way Qatar has them. The one mentioned in Wikipedia article applies only when one (a Nepalese citizen) goes back to Nepal to get his H1 visa stamped.

You are correct, I overlooked that detail. You can cross Nepal from that list, and my point still stands though.

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Post by codebolt »

the_rosentotter wrote: post #99
codebolt wrote: post #88

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Freeing a slave for missing a day of fasting? If that's the most charitable act in Sharia then you pretty much proved his point. And regardless of how people practice Islam, its texts are full of crap that I'll never have any respect for. Fuck Islam.

This was in response to: >> Islam encourages freeing slaves, but only in one circumstance : after they have completed a successful military campaign > Missing a day of fasting must be atoned for by freeing a slave. As an example. Among a hundred other ways in which slaves are set free. Your post was ignorance and lies.

Islam is ignorance and lies. Any doctrine which labels me a lesser man and says that I will burn in hell can go fuck itself. That's not me being ignorant, that's me standing up for myself.

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Post by Andrew_Quentin »

auctiontheory wrote: post #46
zizee wrote: post #15

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You should not paint all countries in the Middle East with the same brush.

You should not paint all countries in the Middle East with the same brush. How many Middle Eastern countries (besides Israel) have anything resembling democracy, or equal rights for women, or any rights for gay people?

Turkey

Re: At 16, Ganesh got a job in Qatar. Two months later he was dead

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Post by waps »

azth wrote: post #146
marrs wrote: post #132

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Spoken like a true Islamic Extremist. Find the teachings that support your argument and then use them to brand everyone who disagrees with you as not being a true believer. It's a peculiar mind that can ignore the fundamental values of morality and kindness, and go straight for the edge cases that justify your warped sense of righteousness.

Indeed! Even according to Wikipedia which waps was citing: "The Qur'an and Hadith, the primary Islamic texts, make it a praiseworthy act for masters to set their slaves free." goes against his/her claims. Furthermore, most, if not all, of those claims for the status of slaves were cited from Orientalist Levy's book. The bias is very evident.

No it doesn't. It has in fact nothing to do with that claim. If islam regulates slavery, it's obviously making it legal and pushing it.

Compare it with this, suppose some republican came to power and decided to legalize drilling through nature reserves but makes a big public statement discouraging it. What is that person doing ? Pushing it, or discouraging it ?

There is only one, and blatantly obvious answer : islam is pushing slavery. In theory, as you confirm yourself with your statement showing that islam regulates slavery. In practice, because of what is happening in Saharan Africa, Yemen, Kuwait, etc.

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