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Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by gutnor »

jusben1369 wrote: post #63
coldtea wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> here's the thing though, If google would have released an UI as bad as this (just my oppinion as an iphone user) all the tech press and the hardcore apple fanboys would have trashed it online and offline for months. Google HAS produced a UI as bad as this. Actually worse. The Android UI, up until 4 was amateur hour. And still is not up there yet. It's just held in much less scrutiny compared to Apple, because nobod…

Apple is really defined by superior design. Google is defined generally by superior engineering. A better point to make would be if Google revamped their search engine and it was meaningfully degraded experience for search. They'd be criticized and rightly so as that's what they're supposed to do better than anyone else.

Seriously where do engineering stops and design starts to make that statement work ?

Looking at Google Map, Google Search. Those "defining" application of Google, in addition of incredible engineering they redefined what a map and search engine should even look like, so design. Similarly, the iPhone, iMac, iPod were as much about engineering and than design.

In reality, Apple is defined by making money on hardware and Google on cloud software. It is a quirk that they got to clash, because they very much complemented each other.

Google get some slack with Android because they do not sell phones and the vast majority of users do not use Android UI anyway. On the hardware side, Android world provides hundreds of models, there is at least 10 flagship model at any single time. Each get its own amount of nitpicking but eventually all get lost in the noise of other Android news (announcements, prototype, announcement of prototype, benchmark war, "megahertz" war of the day).

Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by nnnnni »

noamsml wrote: post #104
nnnnni wrote: post #25

See, this is really frustrating... I mentioned this SAME STUFF (specifically the horrible lack of contrast) months ago just to be met with downvotes and handwaving dismissal. NOW people agree. Better late than never, I guess.

But months ago these were quirks in a beta release. iOS7 is now released software, and it's expected to have matured.

The problem is that it looked like a very poor design decision rather than a beta version quirk even back then...

Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by r00fus »

jcutrell wrote: post #65
dasil003 wrote: post #19

Although I'm a perfectionist and I believe a lot of these issues should be addressed, the tumblr itself bothers me. It's the logical culmination of Fail culture where hipsters in armchairs laugh at the inadequacy of everything while producing nothing. All these things could have been constructive criticism in another context, but here they just serve to further someone's twitchy compulsion to be entertained for anoth…

I think the visual explanation here offers credence to the criticism. This certainly isn't "hipster" culture - this is design critique. The worse thing would be if people blindly said things like "iOS7 is just not intuitive" and went on to drink their PBR and evangelize about Phonebloks - instead, these are real examples of why iOS7 could be better. At the very least, this thread is instructive for learning designers…

> This certainly isn't "hipster" culture - this is design critique.

Critique that doesn't actually tell what's wrong ... isn't.

Let's talk about the z-index issue with the AppStore icon. How is this reproduced? I have never seen that. How do I know it's not shopped?

All it says is "z-index". Not useful. Not really a critique to me, it's just too terse.

Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by rustynails »

coldtea wrote: post #154
jusben1369 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is really defined by superior design. Google is defined generally by superior engineering. A better point to make would be if Google revamped their search engine and it was meaningfully degraded experience for search. They'd be criticized and rightly so as that's what they're supposed to do better than anyone else.

> Apple is really defined by superior design. Google is defined generally by superior engineering. Wait what? When did that happen? When did Google get "superior engineering"? For search, web etc, perhaps. But as far as iOS vs Android is concerned that was never the case. For starters, Apple design and engineered the iPhone first. Google's Android FIRST came out a whole year later. Early Android prototypes, shown by…

I had a feeling that a critique on Apple would turn into a Google bash. Can you please stay on topic. As an IOS user who is posting from his iPhone, I'm tired of Apple fans deflecting genuine criticisms at APPLE. You didn't raise or refute one thing in the article.

You sir/mam are a fanboy of the worst kind.

For the record, I feel IOS 7 lost its way. Jobsy would have shot it to pieces and buried it before it saw the light of day.

Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by kllrnohj »

coldtea wrote: post #154
jusben1369 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is really defined by superior design. Google is defined generally by superior engineering. A better point to make would be if Google revamped their search engine and it was meaningfully degraded experience for search. They'd be criticized and rightly so as that's what they're supposed to do better than anyone else.

> Apple is really defined by superior design. Google is defined generally by superior engineering. Wait what? When did that happen? When did Google get "superior engineering"? For search, web etc, perhaps. But as far as iOS vs Android is concerned that was never the case. For starters, Apple design and engineered the iPhone first. Google's Android FIRST came out a whole year later. Early Android prototypes, shown by…

> Early Android prototypes, shown by Google just before the iPhone was announced had half-size screens and physical keyboards, just like the rest of the smartphones of the day.

The HTC G1 was also one of the early prototypes shown off. Android definitely came later, but they were already working on a large, capacitive touch phone before the iPhone came out.

> Since then Apple has consistenly beat Google on hardware features, from the retina display

Uh, no, so very much no. Apple was sooo late to the high density party. Android was shipping high density, high resolution phones a year before Apple did. Apple did leapfrog on the density front with retina, but they were definitely, unquestionably playing catch-up on this front, not leading the way.

> camera innovations, the motion co-processor, a working fingerprint sensor (for a change)

All of this was done by other companies first, and in some cases better.

> The iOS Cocoa API is leaps and bounds ahead of the Android API.

This is such a stupid statement. Both APIs have their advantages and disadvantages.

> The major points for Android devices were not better engineering per se, but stuff like bigger screens, different configurations etc.

Which was enabled due to superior engineering in some respects. True density independence, flexible layouts everywhere, architecture-neutral designs, etc...

Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by idProQuo »

nnnnni wrote: post #25

See, this is really frustrating... I mentioned this SAME STUFF (specifically the horrible lack of contrast) months ago just to be met with downvotes and handwaving dismissal. NOW people agree. Better late than never, I guess.

I didn't buy the "Go easy! It's still only beta!" stuff. The changes that happen in beta are along the lines of "Apps no longer crash while activating the radio while audio is playing." not "Complete icon redesign".

However, some of these (Z-Index? What?) should've absolutely been fixed before GM.

Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by Jtsummers »

epo wrote: post #149
Coincoin wrote: post #85

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What? They fixed that? Nope, searching anything with "verse" still makes Google think it knows better than you and searches for "vs" instead.

I'm sorry, not following this, the word is "versus", a verse is typically something like a unit of a song. Or is this American usage, in which case what do you call a "verse"?

Google likes to suggest alternatives to words, he does mean verse as in verse of a song or poem, but (I never saw this particular one) had some searches where google was trying to turn verse into versus or vs. What I saw, and I've either gotten used to it or it's changed, was around 2009 when my searches stopped working one day. I'd use 3-5 keywords and Google's first page would only display pages using 1-2 of them. Invariably it was not the results I wanted. Quoting sections stopped meaning anything to Google searches so searching for phrases became dicy, as the words in the phrase would get split up. So if I was searching for "phrases became dicy" and new that was a line from the page I wanted, Google would return pages with maybe all three words but they'd be scattered about the page.

Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by Oletros »

coldtea wrote: post #151
Oletros wrote: post #72

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> Actually you only lose features you wouldn't want in the first place and would drag the whole thing down (less battery life, bulkier, etc) And why I wouldn't want them? Are you deciding what I want or not?

> And why I wouldn't want them? Are you deciding what I want or not? No, Apple's deciding and the market votes with his wallet (and judging from their actually buying stuff --and at the quite expensive end of the market at that--, it has voted much in favor of those decisions for a decade or so). There's always some people, call them sui generis, or mavericks, or loonies, that do want a floppy drive in their laptop,…

> No, Apple's deciding and the market votes with his wallet (and judging from their actually buying stuff --and at the quite expensive end of the market at that--, it has voted much in favor of those decisions for a decade or so).

So, when Apple said that the MINIMUM screen size for tablets was 10" people talked with their wallet and this was the right size.

When Apple released iPad Mini people talked with their wallet and this was a right size along the regular iPad?

> There's always some people, call them sui generis, or mavericks, or loonies, that do want a floppy drive in their laptop

Really, do you have top put a nonsensical analogy to try to defend the indefensible?

Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by ksk »

coldtea wrote: post #62
hahainternet wrote: post #11

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Funny, because I thought that the whole point of buying an Apple product is that even if you lose features and interoperability, it's incredibly well polished and thought out. Seems they're losing that attribute without gaining the others.

> Funny, because I thought that the whole point of buying an Apple product is that even if you lose features and interoperability, it's incredibly well polished and thought out. Actually you only lose features you wouldn't want in the first place and would drag the whole thing down (less battery life, bulkier, etc). Not having FM radio for example is like not having a floppy disk drive an modern PCs. As for "incredib…

>Not having FM radio for example is like not having a floppy disk drive an modern PCs.

FYI: The iphone wireless chipset (BCM4334) already contains an FM radio. Apple has chosen to ship the phone with the functionality disabled. Presumably to push people towards itunes offerings.

Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by Oletros »

coldtea wrote: post #153
hahainternet wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not having FM radio for example is like not having a floppy disk drive an modern PCs. Tell that to my mother, who used her phone's built in FM radio daily until her retirement. It's clear from the tone of your post though that dissent is useless.

> Tell that to my mother, who used her phone's built in FM radio daily until her retirement. An older woman close on retirement is not exactly having her finger on the pulse of what's current, does she now? I mean, I'm giving an example of a similar obsolete feature ("like not having a floppy disk drive an modern PCs") and your counter-argument is what a retiree does? Might as well have replied "well, my grandfather…

> Might as well have replied "well, my grandfather rocks floppy disks on his 286 just fine".

Well, it is clear that you like stupid analogies and you have not clear what it is obsolete or not and radio is not obsolete.

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