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First Mechanical Gear Found in a Living Creature

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Re: First Mechanical Gear Found in a Living Creature

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An electric motor, complete with stators, etc. has been known for a while and it didn't change our concept of 'mechanical': http://www.arn.org/docs/mm/flag_dithani.gif

What is this?

A flagella. Bacteria use them to move around.

Re: First Mechanical Gear Found in a Living Creature

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post #11

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Maybe it doesn't. The last paragraph of the article implies that wear eventually would compromise the gears, but that the insect molting and replacing the old gears with new ones (frequently?) prevents it from being a problem.

Which leads to the classic answer to the age old question of how you make a car last forever: buy three, one to keep, and the other two for parts.

That's for very small values of 'forever', after 3x the average lifespan of some critical component you are again without transportation.

Re: First Mechanical Gear Found in a Living Creature

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post #128

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Could you clarify/expound on this?

Evolution works by incremental changes, each of which to a first approximation must be at least neutral and preferably advantageous to producing offspring. In order for evolution to get from A to B, there must be a path of incremental advantageous changes to get from here to there. It can't magically leap from one optimum to another. So you see things like the way the same basic body plan is reused endlessly in the n…

One interesting way to look at/remember this it is through history. Evolution by some early thinkers was thought of often as Ernst Haekel's tree of life[1].

In this representation of life it is directed and goal based. This is a misunderstanding of evolution that was common in a world that saw humanity as the peak of the process of evolution. For this reason Darwin perferred to think of it as a directionless bush rather than a directed tree.

1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tree_of_life_by_Haeckel.jp...

Re: First Mechanical Gear Found in a Living Creature

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post #142

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I think it depends on the direction of the acceleration. The John Stapp experiment was horizontal acceleration, right? Right above that: "... if g-forces are not quickly reduced, death can occur. Resistance to "negative" or "downward" g, which drives blood to the head, is much lower. This limit is typically in the −2 to −3 g (about −20 m/s² to −30 m/s²) range."

relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_Coaster

Surprisingly it doesn't use reverse g "upwards" but rather an ordinary 10g "downwards". I wonder why is that and can't they make the system much smaller by aiming for the head.

Re: First Mechanical Gear Found in a Living Creature

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post #77

It is for beauty like this that I believe all living things were originally designed by some intelligence, somewhere. Perhaps designed to mutate and evolve, or perhaps that was a limitation in the source materials, but there are some beautifully engineered living systems on our planet.

Every time you see something ugly, do you change your mind?

Re: First Mechanical Gear Found in a Living Creature

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"They're rather specialized, and there are lots of other jumpers that don't have them, so there must be some kind of advantage." Not necessarily. Evolution has a lot to do with path dependence and in no way guarantees the best of all possible adaptations.

Almost every complex AND specialized adaptation has an advantage. In this case it seems pretty obvious that gears can be better than friction at transmitting torque.

I don't think you can really get away with saying that.

I think a better phrasing would be, "the summation of all adaptations in addition to environmental state (including benefits or constraints to itself and all others) has led to the survival in its present environment".

It's really about optimization gradients in a particular time/environmental/social niche. Everything can change with the purturbation of any factor--but that's evolution for you. Adative curve fitting.

Re: First Mechanical Gear Found in a Living Creature

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post #132

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Evolution works by incremental changes, each of which to a first approximation must be at least neutral and preferably advantageous to producing offspring. In order for evolution to get from A to B, there must be a path of incremental advantageous changes to get from here to there. It can't magically leap from one optimum to another. So you see things like the way the same basic body plan is reused endlessly in the n…

Whoa. That blew my mind. So we're evolving in such a way to be able to make combinatorial multi-gene changes- by evolving brains big enough to be able to develop gene engineering?

I had this cool idea for a sci-fi book (I may one day write), set long after modern civilisation collapses. Humans survive but with all the readily available iron ore used up, we are perpetually stuck in a pre-industrial revolution world. Hundreds of thousands of years pass and we evolve. At this level of technology we can farm, so we're still very successful, and the biggest threats to us are diseases rather than predators. So we evolve towards having much greater conscious control over our bodies and health. Incremental changes happen, starting from an expansion of the existing placebo effect, towards a conscious ability to manage immune responses, and then further into being able to affect cell chemistry in different areas of the body. The book would follow what happens when humans evolve the ability to do genetic engineering on themselves, and the following completely organic technological revolution. (Probably ending with some gene hackers growing diamond hulled space craft and leaving to explore the galaxy.)

Re: First Mechanical Gear Found in a Living Creature

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post #74

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Doctor of medicine here, with basic notions of chemistry and biochemistry from courses I took 16 years ago. I sure know what I'm talking about! ;-) More seriously, I had inferred the squeezing from the videos I linked to. If I understand properly, the mechanical constrains on the ADP, Pi and AA residuals involved result in the formation of the high energy covalent bound between the two phosphates. Thus mechanical ->…

Protein-interaction videos often make molecular reactions seem "deterministic" when in reality everything is quite stochastic; the molecules are "bouncing" around like crazy and each step may go back and forwards several times before completing. That said, I love the videos--its really amazing to think about all these little proteins bending and folding around all the time!

The stochastic aspects were also completely neglected in my chemistry courses. We were just taught about macroscopic, aggregate probabilities, and high level descriptions of the reactions, but not the nitty gritty details.

I knew that chemical bounds were vibrating (with a frequency proportional to their energy, E=h(nu)), but, for some reason, I had never envisioned macromolecules wiggling and vibrating as a whole.

Updating mental model :-)

Re: First Mechanical Gear Found in a Living Creature

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post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost every complex AND specialized adaptation has an advantage. In this case it seems pretty obvious that gears can be better than friction at transmitting torque.

I don't think you can really get away with saying that. I think a better phrasing would be, "the summation of all adaptations in addition to environmental state (including benefits or constraints to itself and all others) has led to the survival in its present environment". It's really about optimization gradients in a particular time/environmental/social niche. Everything can change with the purturbation of any fact…

You (and the other posted) have conveniently ignored the word "almost" in my post.
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