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Re: Why I Changed My Mind On Weed

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Post by ceol »

tptacek wrote: post #91
timtadh wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest safety problem with MJ is (as the original article hinted) the tendency in some people (especially teenagers) to increase the probability of them developing psychosis. This is why it is so apples to oranges. Yes, there are carcinogenic problems as well but the main problem is the increased risk of psychosis.

I'd be more concerned about its interaction with anxiety disorders, which are very common and underdiagnosed.

Schizophrenia is another one that can become exacerbated by marijuana use.

Re: Why I Changed My Mind On Weed

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Post by bithive123 »

mikevm wrote: post #148
MikeCapone wrote: post #136

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Have you read Mindbody Prescription by Dr. John E. Sarno? It's the only thing that could cure my constant RSI/chronic pain after years of trying everything, and in the book he talks about fibromyalgia. http://www.amazon.com/The-Mindbody-Prescription-Healing-Body... The idea of psychogenic disorders would have normally have sounded like esoteric BS to me, but I ended up picking up the book at the recommendation of an…

I was thinking of buying that book, but he sounded like a typical wackaloon to me. I mean, just from reading the first few lines of the Amazon review: > Dr. John Sarno caused quite a ruckus back in 1990 when he suggested that back pain is all in the head. In his bestselling book, Healing Back Pain: The Mind-Body Connection, he claimed that backaches, slipped discs, headaches, and other chronic pains are due to suppre…

I read his book (http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Back-Pain-Mind-Body-Connection...) expecting to have a similar reaction. While he doesn't make the strongest scientific case, you are not doing his proposition justice. It's more about people who injure themselves maintaining unconscious tension in areas which leads to stiffness and pain well after the physiological healing has finished, because they fear re-injury.

I found some of his advice helpful insofar as it suggests that mindfulness meditation can help ease tension-induced back pain (which I have found to be true for me) and that there is a mental component in overcoming the fear of re-injury and allowing yourself to resume your full range of motion without subconsciously tensing up.

As someone who struggles with anxiety from time to time, I can even believe his statement that he's referred some patients to therapy before attempting to treat their back pain.

Re: Why I Changed My Mind On Weed

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Post by MikeCapone »

mikevm wrote: post #148
MikeCapone wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you read Mindbody Prescription by Dr. John E. Sarno? It's the only thing that could cure my constant RSI/chronic pain after years of trying everything, and in the book he talks about fibromyalgia. http://www.amazon.com/The-Mindbody-Prescription-Healing-Body... The idea of psychogenic disorders would have normally have sounded like esoteric BS to me, but I ended up picking up the book at the recommendation of an…

I was thinking of buying that book, but he sounded like a typical wackaloon to me. I mean, just from reading the first few lines of the Amazon review: > Dr. John Sarno caused quite a ruckus back in 1990 when he suggested that back pain is all in the head. In his bestselling book, Healing Back Pain: The Mind-Body Connection, he claimed that backaches, slipped discs, headaches, and other chronic pains are due to suppre…

Invest a couple hours in reading a few chapters of the book and find out for yourself. I can't possibly summarize it all here without skipping important steps.

All your objections are addressed very well in the book. It's not like he hasn't thought about those things and how it sounds at first. He came to his conclusions empirically by treating his patients, not by dreaming up some theory out of the ether.

I'll just re-iterate my recommendation for the book. It doesn't cost much and you can always get it from the library if you really don't want to spend the money.

Re: Why I Changed My Mind On Weed

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Post by i_lift_bro »

mikevm wrote: post #148
MikeCapone wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you read Mindbody Prescription by Dr. John E. Sarno? It's the only thing that could cure my constant RSI/chronic pain after years of trying everything, and in the book he talks about fibromyalgia. http://www.amazon.com/The-Mindbody-Prescription-Healing-Body... The idea of psychogenic disorders would have normally have sounded like esoteric BS to me, but I ended up picking up the book at the recommendation of an…

I was thinking of buying that book, but he sounded like a typical wackaloon to me. I mean, just from reading the first few lines of the Amazon review: > Dr. John Sarno caused quite a ruckus back in 1990 when he suggested that back pain is all in the head. In his bestselling book, Healing Back Pain: The Mind-Body Connection, he claimed that backaches, slipped discs, headaches, and other chronic pains are due to suppre…

Suppressed anger because you don't even lift?

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Post by 300bps »

mistercow wrote: post #130
300bps wrote: post #115

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We let chiropractors prescribe drugs in this country. What country is that, mistercow? Here in the United States, they cannot prescribe drugs with one notable exception in New Mexico for chiropractors that have received "advance practice" training. In fact, prescribing drugs actually goes against the chiropractic philosophy that involves physical manipulation of the body and your body's ability to heal itself. Source…

Hmm, it seems I was mistaken. We do let osteopaths prescribe medicine though, and that's almost as dumb. The rest of my point still stands.

Hmm, it seems I was mistaken. We do let osteopaths prescribe medicine though, and that's almost as dumb. The rest of my point still stands.

I have to take issue again with what you have said.

You seem to be equating osteopathy (a completely accepted medical science) to homeopathy (a complete quackery). To quote Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_MD_and_DO_in_the_...

Other than teaching manual medicine, the medical training for an M.D. and D.O. is virtually indistinguishable.

To quote the American Medical Association:

http://www.ama-assn.org//ama/pub/education-careers/becoming-...

Q: What is the difference between an MD and a DO?

A: A DO (Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine) is a physician just as an MD is a physician.

Please do more research before you continue to spread additional misinformation. Thank you.

Re: Why I Changed My Mind On Weed

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Post by justinator »

300bps wrote: post #115
mistercow wrote: post #79

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The license to prescribe drugs is largely useless as an indicator of pharmacological expertise. We let chiropractors prescribe drugs in this country (Edit: I was mistaken; we don't). The government has no idea what it's doing in its process for deciding who gets that power. I have encountered plenty of doctors who clearly had no idea what they were doing when it came to pharmacology, to the point of prescribing drugs…

We let chiropractors prescribe drugs in this country. What country is that, mistercow? Here in the United States, they cannot prescribe drugs with one notable exception in New Mexico for chiropractors that have received "advance practice" training. In fact, prescribing drugs actually goes against the chiropractic philosophy that involves physical manipulation of the body and your body's ability to heal itself. Source…

I'm pretty sure that chiropractors are a source for both marijuana and steroid (for body building) scripts. I want to say this is in California.

Re: Why I Changed My Mind On Weed

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Post by cooperadymas »

mikevm wrote: post #148
MikeCapone wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you read Mindbody Prescription by Dr. John E. Sarno? It's the only thing that could cure my constant RSI/chronic pain after years of trying everything, and in the book he talks about fibromyalgia. http://www.amazon.com/The-Mindbody-Prescription-Healing-Body... The idea of psychogenic disorders would have normally have sounded like esoteric BS to me, but I ended up picking up the book at the recommendation of an…

I was thinking of buying that book, but he sounded like a typical wackaloon to me. I mean, just from reading the first few lines of the Amazon review: > Dr. John Sarno caused quite a ruckus back in 1990 when he suggested that back pain is all in the head. In his bestselling book, Healing Back Pain: The Mind-Body Connection, he claimed that backaches, slipped discs, headaches, and other chronic pains are due to suppre…

Reading this currently, with a lot of similar skepticism, mostly because of this blog post: http://aaroniba.net/articles/tmp/how-i-cured-my-rsi-pain.htm...

I avoid books like this because they are almost all "wacakaloons" like you say. But this one seems to be much better. At least the entire first half of the book is the author making the medical case for his treatment. It is well cited, based on both his clinical experience and other studies.

Sarno doesn't claim that slipped discs are caused by suppressed anger. He never says that all backaches, headaches, slipped discs, and chronic pains are due to this and stresses the importance of getting examined before judging for yourself the cause of the pain. He believes that the pain from things like a slipped disc sometimes is, though. He cites a multitude of instances where people have slipped discs and aren't in pain.

Again, I'm not finished with it and am still a bit skeptical, but I would say it's probably worth a read.

Re: Why I Changed My Mind On Weed

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Post by doktrin »

mistercow wrote: post #130
300bps wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We let chiropractors prescribe drugs in this country. What country is that, mistercow? Here in the United States, they cannot prescribe drugs with one notable exception in New Mexico for chiropractors that have received "advance practice" training. In fact, prescribing drugs actually goes against the chiropractic philosophy that involves physical manipulation of the body and your body's ability to heal itself. Source…

Hmm, it seems I was mistaken. We do let osteopaths prescribe medicine though, and that's almost as dumb. The rest of my point still stands.

> We do let osteopaths prescribe medicine though, and that's almost as dumb.

D.O's have an education that AFAIK is equivalent to that of an M.D. Why should they not be allowed to prescribe medication?

Re: Why I Changed My Mind On Weed

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Post by barking »

gadders wrote: post #57

"Much in the same way I wouldn't let my own children drink alcohol, I wouldn't permit marijuana until they are adults. If they are adamant about trying marijuana, I will urge them to wait until they're in their mid-20s when their brains are fully developed." Good luck with that.

He was using the conditional tense which maybe explains things.
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