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Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by century24 »

latitude wrote: post #128
Daiz wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as we know, said project only exists in latitude's mind, and the only public information about it is that he may or may not still have plans for a "secure chat" program. I'd be hard-pressed to call that an "existing project", since for all practical purposes, it isn't.

You are asserting a made-up argument. Having an active public project behind a logo is not a necessary condition for not re-purposing the logo for another project. This particular concept just happens to be taken. Every good logo is trivial in retrospect, it's finding a strong concept that's a bitch. I looked at /gd/ thread and virtually all of it revolves around shaping a keyhole this way or that way. Then suddenly…

What's the difference between what you're doing and domain squatting apart from the fact that we're dealing with a logo and not a domain name?

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by century24 »

loumf wrote: post #130
Craigpd wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I'm quite sure that the logo's in the link below are intended to be used or are IN use. So, tell me, why are these companies with many highly experienced legal advisers not fighting eachother over a logo? http://img.ctrlv.in/img/51f6b5b849ebf.jpg

You can trademark using a round M for burgers, but that doesn't get you the trademark for banks. Witness Apple Records and Apple Computers. In this case, the products/ideas are straight-up competitors.

A pre-binary of an existing project and an idea that you had that you've conveniently been sitting on for a year are very different things.

This isn't competition. It's complaining on a professional level.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by graue »

spacelizard wrote: post #129
kostyakow wrote: post #21

Tox aims to be a secure replacement for Skype. There's several other similar projects, but they are usually hard to set up and use for an average user. Tox is FLOS software developed by community, and currently licensed under GPLv3. We are considering changing the license to something more permissive, so it would be possible to put it on the App & Win8 Stores. Currently, it is in really early stages of development. B…

I don't see the point of changing to a more permissive license just to get on the iOS and WP8 app stores. Those devices are all compromised to begin with.

Network effects. Even if my friends' iPhones are "compromised", if I can get them using the same messaging protocol, then that messaging protocol is more useful on my "non-compromised" device.

If we went with your way of thinking, most of my friends would never use Tox, thus making it useless to me, thus meaning I'd have to use a non-end-to-end-encrypted messaging protocol such as SMS or Facebook Chat.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by Selfcommit »

latitude wrote: post #47

Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

The first hit off google seems to come from this site... http://whysocreative.com/2013/04/07/10-most-creative-black-w...

Are you associated with them?

How could these guys have known it was "yours" ?

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by siddboots »

Plexion wrote: post #55
latitude wrote: post #47

Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

I think this is a matter of coincidence. The lock and chat bubble leads itself to a familiar look. I'm pretty sure you aren't the first person to think of such a concept, and neither are we. Besides, the icon was made by an anonymous person so it's not really like we can blame anyone.

If you don't know the identity of the person who created your logo, how can you be sure that they didn't steal it?

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by tptacek »

shin_lao wrote: post #153
tptacek wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what "zero knowledge" means. In the context of STS or, more generally, DH, a ZKP is something you'd add after DH, to verify that one party or the other had arrived at the expected DH result. I don't think I'm nitpicking: I see where you're coming from but I think you might be entirely wrong. I don't know what it means to "prefer" DLP crypto. Over what? I just don't understand what you're trying to say with…

Well, if you exchange your keys via DH and start using that key to cipher the communication, you're going to find out very soon if you exchanged the key properly, won't you? In essence, once you've agreed on a key you won't keep it to yourself (although you could, in theory). But am I missing the point? Are we talking about two different things? I'm talking about ZK from a mathematical point of view, you know, the ca…

SRP is a good example of DH with a bolted-on ZK system; the client and the server arrive at a key using a hash of a password as, effectively, the basis of a DH parameter, then use a hash-based zero-knowledge proof to "authenticate" each other.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by rdtsc »

Daiz wrote: post #54
latitude wrote: post #47

Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

Honestly, I don't see the concept being so unique and original that someone else couldn't have come up with it independently, and frankly the Tox logo has a much nicer balance (in the Tox logo, the person/keyhole works much better, whereas in yours it doesn't really work as a "keyhole" in my opinion) than the versions you linked. EDIT: The logo was originally made in /gd/ (4chan's graphic design board), and since the…

Still his work. So flagged.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by siddboots »

williamcotton wrote: post #160
latitude wrote: post #47

Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

Neither of you guys invented these concepts: 1.) Using a padlock to represent computer security. 2.) Using a cartoon chat bubble to represent a way to chat on your computer. 3.) Using a little oval on top of a bigger oval to represent a person. Is it really that much of a stretch to combine the three? I would think that this concept would be pretty standard output from someone with even a moderate amount of visual co…

I don't think this argument is very powerful. If two authors come up with exactly the same sentence, no one would dismiss the coincidence on the grounds that "both sentences are built on top of an already existing language".

What matters is how similar the precise combination of visual elements are in the two logos.

Yes, it is possible that they were created independently. However, after looking at the "evidence" provided by Daiz, it seems more likely that an anonymous channer borrowed the design without crediting it.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by unknownian »

ceol wrote: post #134
unknownian wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because we made this project just to violate copyright. Sure thing.

I think their point was that the person who made the icon is anonymous, so it's harder to blame and therefor benefits you. Not that you had that goal in mind to begin with.

I understand that. It's still a ridiculous claim.
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