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Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by glitchdout » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 11:08 AM UTC

lloeki wrote: post #157

kamaal wrote: post #143

Almost anybody who associates great programming with things like super keyboarding skills and muscle memory is unfortunately degrading the status of programming to mere typing. What is it that is so distracting and pulling you out of your zen when you use a mouse? Seriously you type so fast and code at the speed of thought that a little glitch here is like making a mistake with a Formula 1 car in the Monaco Grand Pri…

> Seriously you type so fast and code at the speed of thought that a little glitch here is like making a mistake with a Formula 1 car in the Monaco Grand Prix? Please, don't take it to the other extreme. The way I use vim, I still use arrow keys instead of hjkl . I usually don't do 8k or 3j . Yet daW , cs"' , cit , /foo whateveroperation nn.nnn.n. , /bar qa whateverbutmorecomplex qn@ann@a are part of my daily routine…

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Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by dazzawazza » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 11:12 AM UTC

My first boss taught me it's not how much you type but what you type.

I was straight out of university and I knew my shit (as all graduates do but don't). He would spend ages looking at a piece of code, scrolling around, running the app, walking about and plonk down a few lines of code. After a year of bashing out code I realised.

Most coding happens in the planning, not in the mundane exercise of typing.

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by obituary_latte » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 11:27 AM UTC

Sometimes I wonder about all the useful stuff that could be created with the energy expelled by people arguing about which editor/language/process is better.

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by kaiwen1 » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 11:32 AM UTC

I've tried switching from Vim to Sublime Text. Can't do it. It's all frustration. Unless and until Sublime Text implements the majority of Vim-style movement and editing features, I'll be using Vim. Don't get me wrong. I think Sublime Text is great. I would even agree with the OP that it's probably the best editor for people who've never experienced Vim. Vim is like falling in love. If you've never experienced it, no big deal. But if you have...

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by sigzero » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 11:41 AM UTC

Can I use it in a console? Is it installed by default in any OS? Has it stood the test of time as vi/Vim has?

The answer to ALL of those is "no".

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by Aardwolf » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 11:41 AM UTC

Does it support: -git (and other vcs) integration? -showing which lines you altered with colored bars on the sides? -jumping to any file in the whole directory structure of your project by just typing a partial filename? -easily having many files open, that means, no horizontal tab layout that stops working in a friendly way as soon as the screen size is reached?

If so, I would LOVE to use it!

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by vacri » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 11:42 AM UTC

kamaal wrote: post #143

Almost anybody who associates great programming with things like super keyboarding skills and muscle memory is unfortunately degrading the status of programming to mere typing. What is it that is so distracting and pulling you out of your zen when you use a mouse? Seriously you type so fast and code at the speed of thought that a little glitch here is like making a mistake with a Formula 1 car in the Monaco Grand Pri…

What you're missing is that hardware documentation isn't the afterthought that it is in software. That hardware documentation is as much the product as the PCB - because without that documentation, the PCB is useless. And every time the board gets rev'd, so does the documentation (which is rare in software) because if it doesn't, then people can't take advantage of the rev.

It is true that so many of us in software don't RTFM, and I am guilty of that, but it's also true that the FM is often out of date, incomplete, doesn't carry the edge cases, and is often written by a reluctant author inexperienced in writing good copy.

Apart from that, 'go slow' is missing the point a bit. It's not the 'lack of turbo speed' that the mouse is creating problems from, it's the context switching. 'Go slow, steady, and thoughtful' is fine, but the less context switching you have, the more attention you can spend on your task.

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by lsiebert » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 11:52 AM UTC

Incidentally, a vim a day site, with a vim basic topic (movement/ action with example use cases) advanced topic (buffer use. Macro, .vimrc setting) and maybe a plugin review or integration tip would be bookmarked instantly, with my ad blocker off to support the site.

For the plugin reviews, I'd settle for something that let's me know what the heck a particular plugin in vundle is from the search tab.

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by nevinera » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 11:55 AM UTC

>700 hand written lines in my .vimrc, and 45 plugins

You're not using vim.

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by jeremiep » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 11:57 AM UTC

davorb wrote: post #133

catenate wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience (11 years with Emacs, then 8 years with Wily/Acme-SAC/Acme) using the mouse is much more efficient than typing to move the cursor and select text. Acme takes it a step further by binding cut and paste to mouse chords. Guide files are the big win, though, since I edit and reissue commands (highlight and middle-click) instead of retyping them.

Do you use C-r/C-s to move around? That's what I do and I think that using the keyboard is a bit faster. The difference is probably negligible, though.

There's also ace-jump-mode to quickly move the point in the visible area of the buffer. It can be a bit faster than C-r/C-s sometimes.