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Will there be a 7G?

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Re: Will there be a 7G?

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Post by dakolli »

vel0city wrote: post #144
dakolli wrote: post #119

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You're ripping yourself off, you can get 1TB of 5G from tmobile for $50-60

I'm paying $15/mo. To pay $50/mo for in the end the same thing (I'm going to use the same amount of data regardless) just means I'm spending $420 a year more for the same outcome. How is it a better deal to spend more money for essentially the same thing? Imagine you're buying food that will go bad tomorrow. You can't keep it. You can't share it. You can buy enough food to fill you up today for $5, or enough food to…

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Re: Will there be a 7G?

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Post by olivermuty »

dakolli wrote: post #161
vel0city wrote: post #144

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I'm paying $15/mo. To pay $50/mo for in the end the same thing (I'm going to use the same amount of data regardless) just means I'm spending $420 a year more for the same outcome. How is it a better deal to spend more money for essentially the same thing? Imagine you're buying food that will go bad tomorrow. You can't keep it. You can't share it. You can buy enough food to fill you up today for $5, or enough food to…

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Did you have a bad day outside of the internet today? These three thread posts come off as you being a bit of an asshole for no reason. Why wouldnt the guy put financial context on your claim he should go for a three times more expensive sub?

Re: Will there be a 7G?

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Post by aaronbrethorst »

mdasen wrote: post #131
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #85

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I get 5G mmWave in my home and around my neighborhood in Seattle. In fact sometimes at home I’ll turn off WiFi on my phone just because I’m sitting in a WiFi dead zone but the mmWave still works great. This is on Mint Mobile, a budget MVNO now owned by T-Mobile. I pay $20/month for 15GB data.

You're probably not getting mm wave with Mint. T-Mobile hasn't deployed mm wave much. They have deployed a lot of 2.5GHz spectrum which will be very fast (faster than most people's home internet connections). If you're seeing 5GUC, that's probably not mm wave. I think a lot of people are attributing speeds of 200-700Mbps to mm wave when it's actually pretty ordinary speeds for 2.5-5GHz coverage today now that carrier…

Interesting. Thanks for the detailed information and texture.

Re: Will there be a 7G?

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olivermuty wrote: post #162
dakolli wrote: post #161

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Did you have a bad day outside of the internet today? These three thread posts come off as you being a bit of an asshole for no reason. Why wouldnt the guy put financial context on your claim he should go for a three times more expensive sub?

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Re: Will there be a 7G?

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Post by dakolli »

olivermuty wrote: post #162
dakolli wrote: post #161

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Did you have a bad day outside of the internet today? These three thread posts come off as you being a bit of an asshole for no reason. Why wouldnt the guy put financial context on your claim he should go for a three times more expensive sub?

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Re: Will there be a 7G?

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Post by inkyoto »

Scoundreller wrote: post #90
BlackRabbit1 wrote: post #75

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In Germany telcos using 700MHz for 5G a lot (also for LTE in non-5G regions and sometimes with DSS). So they can create a lot of coverage on rural areas or building penetration. Telefonica didn't set their signallevel-to-bars-parameters on their SIMs correctly yet. Even directly next to a antenna you only see 1-2 bar although the signal level is maxing out.

700MHz is a mixed bag for rural coverage. Great for punching through trees, but need very tall towers to overcome destructive fresnel lens losses. Higher frequencies are usually better here + more gain!

For rural areas, lower frequencies are better because they mean longer distances ↝ fewer cell towers but also less density.

Conversely, higher frequencies mean more density, shorter distances and more cell towers. The ROI in the rural scenario in this case is lower.

Re: Will there be a 7G?

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Post by codethief »

BlackRabbit1 wrote: post #6

5G SA isn't still available for the broad masses yet.. and they are talking of 7G? I had the chance to test it in Germany with Telefonica as it can be activated for free. It saves a lot of battery compared to 5G NSA. But they still had smaller problems with hand-overs to LTE and GSM. Colleagues told me that the 5G NSA battery consumption problem is pretty much a solved problem with other basebands and only Pixels are…

> I had the chance to test it in Germany with Telefonica as it can be activated for free.

Interesting, where can I learn more about that?

EDIT: This looks promising: https://hilfe.o2online.de/o2-mobilfunknetz-einstellungen-zur...

Re: Will there be a 7G?

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Post by prmoustache »

kccqzy wrote: post #148
prmoustache wrote: post #118

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Isn't the icon decided by the operating system?

The operating system vendor can be bribed. AT&T for example asked Apple to show a 5GE icon when an “advanced” LTE network is in use.

That must be a US specific thing. Most phones here in europe aren't bound to a specific provider.

As a matter of fact, the only phone I ever got with a mobile plan was my first mobile phone, a Motorola RAZR flip phone more than 2 decades ago.

Re: Will there be a 7G?

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Post by walrus01 »

lxgr wrote: post #135
mytailorisrich wrote: post #63

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No it is not. 2G->3G->4G->5G refer to real changes in technology and system architecture, as detailed in the Wikipedia page you linked to. 3GPP releases are more fine-grained than that. E.g. rel. 99 introduced 3G/WCDMA, rel. 8 introduced 4G/LTE, etc. Other releases only add features. In the industry Gs are used all the time to refer to the technology/architecture, then releases are used to refer to specific features,…

Increasingly less so. 2G to 3G was a very clear cut on the radio side (TDMA to CDMA); 4G changed both the radio side (OFDMA) and the core (no more circuit switching, more Internet-standards-like). 5G is already much less clear: 5G non-SA literally depends on 4G for signaling and uses 5G-NR (which itself is still OFDMA) only for user data. 5G SA changes the core network again, but isn’t even supported in many networks…

The jump from what we now retrospectively call "1G" or original analog cellular to 2G GSM was also similarly huge. We went from things like AMPS analog networks that people could listen to with a hacked Oki 900 phone, broadcasting audio calls in the clear as analog radio, to actual GSM.

Re: Will there be a 7G?

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Post by hulitu »

Yes, unless a major economic crysis comes, which disrupts this cycle, we will see a lot of this 7G, 8G, 9G, Wifi7, Wifi8, Wifi9 and so on and so forth. It seems the virus of "evergreen automatic update" has encompased everything.
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