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Re: Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South Park to South America

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

antonvs wrote: post #60
mattzito wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s worth watching more recent seasons, at least from the first trump presidency. I agree that they had originally a “both sides bad” approach, but over the last 10 years or so, they have much more clearly come down on the side of “maga is wrong and evil”. There are still a variety of subjects where I’m sure people on the other side of the aisle would take objection (i think of the ultra PC “pc principal” wh…

> they have much more clearly come down on the side of “maga is wrong and evil”. That's kinda good to hear - I suppose - but they only did that after the consequences of their destructive actions became clear to them, even though nearly every other intelligent person on the planet had been warning about that.

Huh? You're right that South Park has had a "both sides bad" approach to politics in the past, but I think you're misrepresenting how the show covered Trump. South Park was pretty much shitting on him the moment he announced his campaign and they painted him as a malevolent force that was going to ruin America, the entire time.

They kinda made fun of Hillary, but nothing beyond she's lame and a bad campaigner. And they were a little hamstrung there considering they were jumping ahead of the real life election cycle a bit.

Re: Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South Park to South America

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Post by FlowingRiver »

nayuki wrote: post #145
ctippett wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They show a similar level of respect to their parent company as John Oliver does his.

The Simpsons have lightly mocked their parent company Fox too.

Apparently Rupert Murdoch absolutely loves when they rip into Fox and associated assets. Married with Children used to do the same thing.

I know a few people who have met and worked with Murdoch and all have said he is perfectly pleasant to be with and has a great sense of humor, just a shame about absolutely everything else he does.

Re: Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South Park to South America

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Post by titanomachy »

ipaddr wrote: post #54
mattzito wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s worth watching more recent seasons, at least from the first trump presidency. I agree that they had originally a “both sides bad” approach, but over the last 10 years or so, they have much more clearly come down on the side of “maga is wrong and evil”. There are still a variety of subjects where I’m sure people on the other side of the aisle would take objection (i think of the ultra PC “pc principal” wh…

They satire society and that changes with who is in power. A cartoon that can have pc principal then rebrand him as religious maga fan when the tide changes also satires people who shift who they are when the world changes. PC Principal has an interesting arc when he hooks up with strong woman and has pc babies who reject his transformation and then ultimately accept him.

> rebrand him as religious maga

Ah yes, Power Christian Principal

Re: Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South Park to South America

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Post by dylan604 »

alephnerd wrote: post #155
al_borland wrote: post #146

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I don’t see how maga is the logical conclusion of the mindset. Both sides do suck, and the answer isn’t blind tribalism, it’s common sense and reason. There is a lot of basic stuff that most of America would be on board with if they stopped trying to make everyone fight over a few issues that they’ve been fighting over for decades. Get some wins on the easy stuff, build some momentum and cooperation, and then maybe i…

Much of the culture war crap that helped justify Tea Party and proto-alt right commentary started out from 2000s and early 2010s South Park. The "Bernie bro" to MAGA pipeline is very real, as was the "I wanna make sexist or racist jokes" to Alt-Right pipeline. Anyhow, it doesn't matter what Matt Stone and Trey Parker do now. South Park is boomer media and not easily accessible on modern streaming.

It's on Paramount+. How is it "not easily accessible on modern streaming"?

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Post by tzs »

Gud wrote: post #117
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #43

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See the word "rare" in the headline? They didn't go after Gore because he was wrong. They went after him because he committed the cardinal sin of really, earnestly taking a stand on a big issue. That is NEVER okay in South Park. There is never a correct side. Both sides must always be bad, on every issue. The "correct" view in South Park is always to not really take a stance on anything, and any character who is stro…

Gore is a massive hypocrite and deserves the ridicule he gets. No champion of the environment gallivants in a jet and lives in a mansion.

That's ridiculous. It is perfectly reasonable to live a normal life by the current standards of the world while advocating for political change that will change those standards to be better for the environment.

Re: Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South Park to South America

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Post by dylan604 »

rapind wrote: post #160
alephnerd wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much of the culture war crap that helped justify Tea Party and proto-alt right commentary started out from 2000s and early 2010s South Park. The "Bernie bro" to MAGA pipeline is very real, as was the "I wanna make sexist or racist jokes" to Alt-Right pipeline. Anyhow, it doesn't matter what Matt Stone and Trey Parker do now. South Park is boomer media and not easily accessible on modern streaming.

> The "Bernie bro" to MAGA pipeline is very real, as was the "I wanna make sexist or racist jokes" to Alt-Right pipeline. It would have been so easy for the Democrats to embrace economics and labour over culture war and scolding. To push for getting money out of politics (Citizen's United). They could have kept the Bernie crowd, Gen Z men, and maybe even Rogan (that guy went from left of centre to right of right so q…

> even Rogan (that guy went from left of centre to right of right so quick though... there's more to it for sure).

The right has owned the talk radio space for ever now. I'm rolling podcasts into that as well. I'm not familiar with many left talking heads, but I can name off many from the right. I'd suspect that Rogan noticed where the audience was and adjust programming based on that.

Re: Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South Park to South America

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Post by alephnerd »

rapind wrote: post #160
alephnerd wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much of the culture war crap that helped justify Tea Party and proto-alt right commentary started out from 2000s and early 2010s South Park. The "Bernie bro" to MAGA pipeline is very real, as was the "I wanna make sexist or racist jokes" to Alt-Right pipeline. Anyhow, it doesn't matter what Matt Stone and Trey Parker do now. South Park is boomer media and not easily accessible on modern streaming.

> The "Bernie bro" to MAGA pipeline is very real, as was the "I wanna make sexist or racist jokes" to Alt-Right pipeline. It would have been so easy for the Democrats to embrace economics and labour over culture war and scolding. To push for getting money out of politics (Citizen's United). They could have kept the Bernie crowd, Gen Z men, and maybe even Rogan (that guy went from left of centre to right of right so q…

Subsidizing unionized EV and Battery manufacturing jobs in deep red states [0], expanding tax credits and subsidizes for the bottom 50% of Americans [1], expanding Medicaid access [2], and other tangible pocketbook benefits showed that a portion of American voters do not care about their pocketbook, and would rather vote based on culture war topics.

And you aren't even American based on your very obvious commonwealth spelling. Butt out of our political commentary.

[0] - https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/08/16/georgia-ev...

[1] - https://news.bloombergtax.com/daily-tax-report/biden-low-inc...

[2] - https://ballotpedia.org/Medicaid_work_requirements_during_th...

Re: Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South Park to South America

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Post by tzs »

kg wrote: post #16
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #9

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Well, I think both sides are the same to an uncomfortable degree. To quote Bill Maher: “Trump has renamed Lake Ontario to the Lake of America. Of course, the left knows you can’t just rename things for political gain, just ask any Latinx birthing person.”

His examples don't hold up. Latinx is attempting to provide an umbrella term for latino and latina, it's not renaming one of the two. "Birthing person" is attempting to provide an umbrella term for people who can give birth that may or may not necessarily be female. (You can express your own feelings about the reality that this exists, but it does exist regardless of how you feel about it). On the other hand Lake Ont…

Latinx actually is comparable to what Trump is doing. It is outsiders trying to force a word on a community that doesn't want it.

Only about 4% of the US Hispanic population uses it, 75% say it should not be used, and half have never even heard of the word. It doesn't fit Spanish grammar or pronunciation rules which makes it look even out of place.

Re: Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South Park to South America

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Post by alephnerd »

dylan604 wrote: post #164
alephnerd wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much of the culture war crap that helped justify Tea Party and proto-alt right commentary started out from 2000s and early 2010s South Park. The "Bernie bro" to MAGA pipeline is very real, as was the "I wanna make sexist or racist jokes" to Alt-Right pipeline. Anyhow, it doesn't matter what Matt Stone and Trey Parker do now. South Park is boomer media and not easily accessible on modern streaming.

It's on Paramount+. How is it "not easily accessible on modern streaming"?

> It's on Paramount+

That's the issue. Paramount+ only has roughly 59 million subscribers in the US.

Netflix, Amazon Prime, HBO Max, and Hulu/Disney+ remain the big 4 nationally [0].

Additionally, you don't see the same degree of memes, zeitgeist, and discourse for South Park that you would see a decade ago, let alone 2 decades ago (remember ginger kids - it got so bad that multiple kids committed suicide due to bullying arising from kids misinterpreting the episode. Or ManBearPig turning into an epithet for climate change denialism for over a decade until the writing staff retconned it).

This isn't to say it's a bad show. It's just older, and Paramount+ distribution is difficult to access for the 18-34 demographic, amongst whom Family Guy and American Dad remained the two dominant streamed adult cartoons in 2025 [1] despite there also being a South Park season last year.

Frankly, South Park mismanaged the COVID transition - they basically took an almost 5 year hiatus which dropped viewership in a now very competitive adult animated market.

[0] - https://flixpatrol.com/streaming-services/subscribers/united...

[1] - https://www.cartoonbrew.com/streaming/nielsen-end-of-year-st...

Re: Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South Park to South America

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

FlowingRiver wrote: post #162
nayuki wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Simpsons have lightly mocked their parent company Fox too.

Apparently Rupert Murdoch absolutely loves when they rip into Fox and associated assets. Married with Children used to do the same thing. I know a few people who have met and worked with Murdoch and all have said he is perfectly pleasant to be with and has a great sense of humor, just a shame about absolutely everything else he does.

From what I hear, Larry Ellison has no detectable sense of humor. Something about a lawnmower...
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