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Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by kev009 »

wonnage wrote: post #151
kev009 wrote: post #114

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"Looking up synonyms" huh? You have yet to make a coherent argument and keep trying to attack the messenger, typical behavior when people get called out for false entitlement. Your "psychopathy" accusations are pure cowardice.

Go ahead and explain why you decided to use “quantum” and “liquidate” then bro

Fluency in one's native language, what an achievement. Neither of these words are complicated. The treasury is unsalable bonds according to the thread, which means the US is in a financial collapse, but also has unlimited capacity to support someone's special interests abroad. Master logicians at work here.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by phist_mcgee »

timr wrote: post #150
tene80i wrote: post #148

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> “I realize that there’s a population of people who just refuse to use anything associated with Musk because politics have eaten our brains” People have values. Many people strongly disapprove of Musk’s actions. Many don’t - fine! Personal choice. But for people who do, refusing to support him commercially is hardly brain-eaten territory. There’s plenty of competition, and competition isn’t the only value at play.

Yeah, OK. You’re making excuses for letting politics eat your life. Enjoy yourself, I guess. Setting aside the actual legitimacy of whatever complaints you have about Musk, you aren’t “supporting” him by using Grok, any more than you’re “supporting Xi Jinping” by using DeepSeek, or “supporting Jeff Bezos” by using Amazon, or “supporting the CEO of Exxon” by using energy. Or “supporting” any of a million other people…

You're forgetting the part where he is a near majority shareholder in spacex, so half of the profit made on your dollar spend winds up benefiting him personally.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by esalman »

swingboy wrote: post #143
esalman wrote: post #95

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Let me give you an example of the money laundering operation. Due to USAID shutdown, Bangladesh went from ~$500M in US assistance to ~$71M, with bilateral health funding dropping ~97% in some analyses. Over 100 projects (~$550M) suspended overnight. 20k–50k development workers laid off (1,000+ at icddr,b, an award winning health research institution alone). TB programs (major USAID focus) largely halted. Bangladesh i…

> The inflated price you pay at gas station, groceries, and in interest when you're borrowing money, is a result of those broken promises. Citation needed.

https://www.minneapolisfed.org/article/2025/research-directo...

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by hombre_fatal »

timr wrote: post #150
tene80i wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “I realize that there’s a population of people who just refuse to use anything associated with Musk because politics have eaten our brains” People have values. Many people strongly disapprove of Musk’s actions. Many don’t - fine! Personal choice. But for people who do, refusing to support him commercially is hardly brain-eaten territory. There’s plenty of competition, and competition isn’t the only value at play.

Yeah, OK. You’re making excuses for letting politics eat your life. Enjoy yourself, I guess. Setting aside the actual legitimacy of whatever complaints you have about Musk, you aren’t “supporting” him by using Grok, any more than you’re “supporting Xi Jinping” by using DeepSeek, or “supporting Jeff Bezos” by using Amazon, or “supporting the CEO of Exxon” by using energy. Or “supporting” any of a million other people…

You say it's "letting politics eat your life" yet we're talking about alternative services that are all very similar. Clicking a different website's checkout button is to consciously decide who benefits from your decisions. I think that's how you should live -- pick the oat milk too.

There are other reasons to not use Elon Musk's AI beyond politics, though this month he's investing $200 million to sway the Texas midterms back to an awful politician, far closer to home than what Xi Jinping might be doing.

It wasn't long ago that Elon tried to bias Grok to not say bad things about him to the point that Grok would say that Elon was the best piss-drinker in the world and that Elon was in the top three of every category (basketball, mathematics, physics, etc). https://newrepublic.com/post/203519/elon-musk-ai-chatbot-gro...

If I have to tie-break between competing AI services, I'm hella not choosing that one.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by timr »

Aurornis wrote: post #158
timr wrote: post #138

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Sure, you can let politics dominate everything you do. Or you can realize that SpaceX is a massive (public) company with thousands of employees, and millions of shareholders, all of whom have their own opinions and goals, just like any other corporation. Competition is good. Excluding a leading player in the market because you don’t like Elon Musk is…something.

> Sure, you can let politics dominate everything you do. I assume they're referring to the recent discovery that Grok Build was uploading entire repositories to their servers in the background, include .env secrets that had been excluded https://gist.github.com/cereblab/dc9a40bc26120f4540e4e09b75f... That incident has put Grok on the no-fly list for a lot of people and companies

It was a bug, and was immediately corrected. The other harnesses have bugs too. You just don't know about them.

Frankly, the people who keep bringing this up are mostly engaged in motivated reasoning. I don't trust any company, and any product where I have to send my code to a third party to make it work is a devil's bargain. I don't trust any of the major labs, but it is what it is.

The only way forward is local models, but we're not there yet.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by sandeepkd »

timr wrote: post #135
217 wrote: post #10

while everyone is somehow still stuck on and fascinated by claude, heres your quick update on the sota of coding models and harnesses mid august 2026 codex is good, both cli and desktop app, you get lots of usage on any plan. sol is good! and gets the job done, write or dictate a very long and thoughtful prompt, and leave sol xhigh or max fast working on it for an hour or so omp is an amazing harness, any feature cla…

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> I realize that there’s a population of people who just refuse to use anything associated with Musk because politics have eaten our brains

Everyone has their own frameworks for risk assessments, its more of the historical incidents associated with it than politics

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by moozilla »

piazz wrote: post #46

Summer 2026 meta (well, mine): Sol is for routine work, Opus for frontend/design, and Fable for more complex / ambiguous / architecture work. Fable works extremely well to drive Sol as a subagent. Fable is the only one you can actually trust to not look at the code, but Sol is somehow still more pleasant to work with, especially in fast mode. Opus is the enemy, and it will make you insane if you talk to it for too lo…

> Fable works extremely well to drive Sol as a subagent.

Curious what method you like for doing this? I've tried a few options and I haven't found one I'm happy with yet.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by timr »

phist_mcgee wrote: post #162
timr wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, OK. You’re making excuses for letting politics eat your life. Enjoy yourself, I guess. Setting aside the actual legitimacy of whatever complaints you have about Musk, you aren’t “supporting” him by using Grok, any more than you’re “supporting Xi Jinping” by using DeepSeek, or “supporting Jeff Bezos” by using Amazon, or “supporting the CEO of Exxon” by using energy. Or “supporting” any of a million other people…

You're forgetting the part where he is a near majority shareholder in spacex, so half of the profit made on your dollar spend winds up benefiting him personally.

> so half of the profit made on your dollar spend winds up benefiting him personally

No, it doesn't. Aside from the face-slappingly obvious fact that SpaceX is losing a half a billion dollars a quarter, that's not how corporate revenue works. Unless the corporate profits are paid out in dividends, you don't just get to hoover them up as a shareholder.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by timr »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #165
timr wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, OK. You’re making excuses for letting politics eat your life. Enjoy yourself, I guess. Setting aside the actual legitimacy of whatever complaints you have about Musk, you aren’t “supporting” him by using Grok, any more than you’re “supporting Xi Jinping” by using DeepSeek, or “supporting Jeff Bezos” by using Amazon, or “supporting the CEO of Exxon” by using energy. Or “supporting” any of a million other people…

You say it's "letting politics eat your life" yet we're talking about alternative services that are all very similar. Clicking a different website's checkout button is to consciously decide who benefits from your decisions. I think that's how you should live -- pick the oat milk too. There are other reasons to not use Elon Musk's AI beyond politics, though this month he's investing $200 million to sway the Texas midt…

> yet we're talking about alternative services that are all very similar.

Yes, that's what "commodity" means, and why I used the word.

> There are other reasons to not use Elon Musk's AI beyond politics, though this month he's investing $200 million to sway the Texas midterms back to an awful politician, far closer to home than what Xi Jinping might be doing.

It's amusing that you can't even help yourself from mentioning politics when you're trying to deny that it disproportionately impacts your thinking. Literally, "there are other reasons to not use it...but I'll spend the rest of my comment listing a bunch of reasons I don't like Elon."

I've heard all of it before. I'm telling you that it doesn't sway me, any more than telling me I should stop buying things at WalMart, use energy, or any of a million other things I do on a daily basis that probably, very likely, in some direct or indirect way, benefit someone I don't like.

You do you, but if I eliminated every product or service that was associated with a "bad person", I'd be living in a cave in the wilderness, crapping in a hole and eating berries.

I'm just eliminating one less than you are.

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