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Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by m4xp »

t1234s wrote: post #120
inigyou wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the existing apps are on Android and iOS. Graphene lets you run them. You can't have a bank account on a Linux phone* because they won't let you, but you can on Android including on Graphene. * before replying snarkily that Android is Linux, please take a long walk off a short pier, thanks

Even Graphine is limited in what apps work properly compared to a normal google phone. You have to give up a lot in order to have privacy these days. A pure linux non-android phone would be great however you wouldn't have access to properly working apps and would not be able to participate in modern society.

Not true, if you install play services you can run 99.9% of apps, i can even run all the italian apps from yhe goverment. You are still using google but its running as user service and you can even revoke most of the permissions including location.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by TFNA »

tfrancisl wrote: post #45
inigyou wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the existing apps are on Android and iOS. Graphene lets you run them. You can't have a bank account on a Linux phone* because they won't let you, but you can on Android including on Graphene. * before replying snarkily that Android is Linux, please take a long walk off a short pier, thanks

What's stopping me from using a browser to log in to my bank? Assuming my bank is one of the ones that requires you to lock down sideloading (they aren't, but i know many are).

In many countries, all major local banks require their phone app as the second factor to log in to the browser version of their online banking. Sometimes functionality is removed from the browser version and made available only in the phone app.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by DANmode »

TFNA wrote: post #162
tfrancisl wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's stopping me from using a browser to log in to my bank? Assuming my bank is one of the ones that requires you to lock down sideloading (they aren't, but i know many are).

In many countries, all major local banks require their phone app as the second factor to log in to the browser version of their online banking. Sometimes functionality is removed from the browser version and made available only in the phone app.

Name five.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by thesuitonym »

throwIeoeor wrote: post #62
tfrancisl wrote: post #25

I've never really understood why we chase Android-alikes on mobile platforms instead of trying to build on mainstream Linux. I know some folks in the nix community (nix-on-droid and other projects) have tried to bring us closer to this, but projects like Graphene seem to have a lot of traction.

Because Android is miles ahead in terms of security, permission management, app separation, power management, privacy... Linux crowd can not even agree on compositor, and if systemd or sudo is a good idea.

> Linux crowd can not even agree on compositor, and if systemd or sudo is a good idea.

This is actually a feature.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by DANmode »

tfrancisl wrote: post #25

I've never really understood why we chase Android-alikes on mobile platforms instead of trying to build on mainstream Linux. I know some folks in the nix community (nix-on-droid and other projects) have tried to bring us closer to this, but projects like Graphene seem to have a lot of traction.

Your point is valid for every flavor of Android except GrapheneOS.

GrapheneOS’ security model makes that of desktop Linux look like a joke.

This is an objective analysis based on x86 security, GrapheneOS hardening (including isolation and hardened mem allocator), Pixel hardware security.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by DANmode »

throwaway_94383 wrote: post #134
inigyou wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the existing apps are on Android and iOS. Graphene lets you run them. You can't have a bank account on a Linux phone* because they won't let you, but you can on Android including on Graphene. * before replying snarkily that Android is Linux, please take a long walk off a short pier, thanks

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Stop parroting this. It’s not true.

Diminishingly few apps do not work, and it’s down to them.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by deaton »

tfrancisl wrote: post #25

I've never really understood why we chase Android-alikes on mobile platforms instead of trying to build on mainstream Linux. I know some folks in the nix community (nix-on-droid and other projects) have tried to bring us closer to this, but projects like Graphene seem to have a lot of traction.

Because the Android Runtime (ART) is very necessary to run APKs, and APKs are the only non-iOS standard for packaging mobile apps that is supported enough to be viable. Without it, you might get some open source apps to run on a linux phone, but you won't have banking apps, clash of clans, or a million other things people really would like to have on their phones.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by kotaKat »

StingyJelly wrote: post #19
unfocso wrote: post #10

A year ago or so, the ThinkPhone 23 (Snapdragon 8, 2023, a weird "flagship") was available for 229€ new on various retail stores. The phone also supports Mobian/PostmarketOS and the bootloader is unlockable with no adverse effects. Out of nowhere, it received (along with other older phones) updates up to Android 16. I wouldn't be surprised if the "sudden" update was just a side effect of Motorola preparing for Graphe…

Not sure about other phones, but ThinkPhone 23 was supposed to get Android 16 anyway https://www.androidauthority.com/lenovo-thinkphone-hands-on-...

I have a 'long life' Android device (Zebra EM45) that has only recently gotten its Android 15 updates; its committed through Android 16 so I assume it's also waiting on Qualcomm to get its act together and in gear for whatever final patches are required for the QCS5430. IIRC, QCOMM is promising "10 years" on the CPU.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by bigfishrunning »

throwIeoeor wrote: post #62
tfrancisl wrote: post #25

I've never really understood why we chase Android-alikes on mobile platforms instead of trying to build on mainstream Linux. I know some folks in the nix community (nix-on-droid and other projects) have tried to bring us closer to this, but projects like Graphene seem to have a lot of traction.

Because Android is miles ahead in terms of security, permission management, app separation, power management, privacy... Linux crowd can not even agree on compositor, and if systemd or sudo is a good idea.

Why should Linux users have to agree? run what you want, it's your computer.
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