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Study links GLP-1 drugs to bigger jump in women's employment than a degree

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Re: Study links GLP-1 drugs to bigger jump in women's employment than a degree

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Post by atleastoptimal »

kixiQu wrote: post #5

I think there's a lot of just-world fallacy going around re: how I keep running across the following pattern online now that GLP-1RA drugs exist. Commenter A (esp. often a woman, though of any age): I lost a lot of weight and people treat me radically better. I did not change my behavior in a way that explains this; it seems like stigma / prejudice. Commenter B: I have never met you but it is probably the case that s…

There is a persistent bias, in general and online, against any claim that one's job prospects, social status, overall life satisfaction is dependent on the way people treat you specifically due to your physical appearance. I think this bias has worsened in the recent decade due to how emphatically the affirmative claim is espoused by the incel/looksmaxxer movement, so conceding any ground means "proving them right".

There are certain realities people feel more comfortable denying/de-emphasizing. Another such bias is the impact of innate talent and its connection to success in any field tied to cognitive ability. People don't seem to want to accept that there are differences in ability/faculties that are:

1. Extremely impactful on one's life outcome

2. Extremely hard or impossible to change, especially past adolescence

3. Largely predetermined by genetic differences, many of which are random

Re: Study links GLP-1 drugs to bigger jump in women's employment than a degree

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Post by RajT88 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #158
kixiQu wrote: post #5

I think there's a lot of just-world fallacy going around re: how I keep running across the following pattern online now that GLP-1RA drugs exist. Commenter A (esp. often a woman, though of any age): I lost a lot of weight and people treat me radically better. I did not change my behavior in a way that explains this; it seems like stigma / prejudice. Commenter B: I have never met you but it is probably the case that s…

One of my favorite examples of this is a transgender woman who worked at Subway (sandwich shop) and wrote about her experience on reddit. Someone posed a question on reddit that was something like "people who have transitioned, how did others treat you differently after the fact." I interpreted the question as how did friends and family react after knowing you previously as one gender and then another, but this trans…

Indeed. It is not quite the same situation, but I experienced differences when I transitioned from slovenly geek to well dressed consultant. Cut my long hair, lost some weight and started dressing much nicer. People treated me with more respect, taking me more seriously. More random people wanted to talk to me, and not just flirty people. People were more curious about me as a person.

Biases exist. You see it when your personality stays the same but visible aspects of you change.

Re: Study links GLP-1 drugs to bigger jump in women's employment than a degree

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

rayiner wrote: post #159
SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #151

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I think they mean they're drugs you have to keep taking forever (for the rest of your life) to keep the effects.

Interesting. That usage is the opposite of “forever chemicals” though. Isn’t it a good thing GLP-1s don’t permanently change your body?

It certainly can be a good thing! But it can also be considered a bad thing that you have to keep taking them, and have to keep paying for them forever. A one-time fix (a cure) can be more desirable than a lifelong treatment regimen.

Re: Study links GLP-1 drugs to bigger jump in women's employment than a degree

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Post by nemomarx »

stevefan1999 wrote: post #95
RussianBot9580 wrote: post #79

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Was GLP-1 oral? Those off-brand lozenges don't do anything. A real GLP-1 slows down digestion so much that if you try to overeat you'll regret it. You'll still be uncomfortably full and ready to throw up on day 2 after that big meal.

Hmm, I've got Rybelsus, it did something. I can reduce my daily meal from 3 to 1 lately, and even on 2 meals I can eat half of it compared to what I typically eats ordinarily, to get full appetite. Still, with all the things I've tried I still gained weight. And I have been noticably getting harder to sleep at night because the hungry feelings comes back. Maybe it is the oral Rybelsus waning off idk

yeah definitely try to get on injections if you can, you should be struggling to stomach food after two meals a day if it's in full effect.

then be sure to get extra fiber and protein from somewhere. and my biggest suggestion is always to just not keep and snacks or extra food in your home - keep what you need for planned meals and maybe some apples or similar on the side. very dark chocolate is also decent for some flavor that's low impact imo

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Post by astrange »

treis wrote: post #84
estearum wrote: post #71

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No but like... why is it a concern? Money? The health problems that GLPs produce help people avoid are way more costly than the drugs will ever be. Especially now that the market is so competitive and will only get moreso.

For me, historically drugs like this for ADHD or depression or gastric bypass or whatever tend to lose effectiveness over time as the body adjusts. Not for everyone but for enough where you've got a short term gain that ultimately compounds the original problem. Medication can be a slippery slope into side effects and rotating dosages/medicines. Especially for behavioral medicines.

ADHD medications do not lose effectiveness over time. That's magnesium deficiency.

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Post by joquarky »

logicchains wrote: post #78
cjbgkagh wrote: post #64

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Causality is an issue there, I would suggest that genetic auto immune issues that are rather wide spread can cause all of the above. I think people are finding that GLP-1s help with auto immune issues.

The incidence rate of genetic issues generally doesn't change much over time due to how slow genes changes, so an increase in obesity rates from 5% to over 40% in just a few generations suggest the cause is very unlikely to be due to genetics.

In the US, I'm convinced that it was the food pyramid.

As a kid in the 80s, I wondered how it made sense that my diabetic father was told to follow the same model as non-diabetics, which emphasized carbohydrates.

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Post by asdff »

minimaltom wrote: post #156
asdff wrote: post #139

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The rub is that if they did a good job with those things, they would have worked. Most people cannot accurately account for calories and poorly estimate how hard they are actually working out.

I think this is a commonly-held misconception. Even when individuals accurately account for calories and workout intensity (using hard data, not feels), theres a large variance across individuals, broadly attributable to 'metabolics'.

While that is true there is variance it doesn't vary to the point of overcoming the basic thermodynamics at play. Facts are, you eat fewer calories, you lose weight. You burn more calories than previously without eating to make up the difference, you lose weight. There is no obese person that can starve themselves and not lose weight. It just doesn't work like that. The energy has to come from somewhere.

What often happens when people say "it doesn't work for me" is that they think they are working hard in the gym but aren't actually, or they think they are eating healthy without realizing all the little snacks or drinks they consume are putting some thumbs on the scale.

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Post by Jaygles »

tester756 wrote: post #92

Why take drugs when you can take home-delivery diet? This is genuine question, I've started using them and they're one of the best things I've ever paid for. You get good food, at calculated sizes/calories/etc etc, you don't have to do shopping, cooking, cleaning, etc. It is insanely convenient and you can manage your weight easily without even any exercises (but they're still recommended tho)

I've been overweight many times in my life, and I've been able to use diet and exercise to get my weight back to a healthy level.

Each occasion took a large amount of willpower and the healthy habits didn't stick around forever.

I started taking tirzepatide weekly and the most striking effect was a marked decrease in cravings. Where previously it took all my willpower to ignore cravings, it has now become difficult to overeat. I would have to force myself.

Now I wonder if its like this for those who have never had issues with their weight. Are there people who insist it's easy but have never experienced cravings?

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Post by sokoloff »

altairprime wrote: post #132
stephbook wrote: post #116

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The study also paints this as "kind of unfair against women", but didn't include men at all.

> The study also paints this as "kind of unfair against women", but didn't include men at all. Unfairness found against one segment is not negated by studying only one segment, and “but” is a load-bearing word representing your entire one-word claim. Please explain in more words what argument you’re supporting with your two observations?

If I read a medical paper that concluded and headlined that “cancer kills left-handed patients” but studied only left-handed patients, I might think the study was technically correct but still reasonably wonder if the left-handedness is relevant to the study’s results.

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Post by normalaccess »

kixiQu wrote: post #5

I think there's a lot of just-world fallacy going around re: how I keep running across the following pattern online now that GLP-1RA drugs exist. Commenter A (esp. often a woman, though of any age): I lost a lot of weight and people treat me radically better. I did not change my behavior in a way that explains this; it seems like stigma / prejudice. Commenter B: I have never met you but it is probably the case that s…

I'm close to B. In the 80's they tested how appearance affects people. Some women were given a facial scar and went to interviews while others were left as is. The scar group reported higher levels of discrimination than those without the scar. Tricky thing was none of them had scars in the interviews. The women that thought they had the fake scars had a "touch up" and the testers removed it.

Link: https://thedailyeconomy.org/article/what-a-1980s-facial-scar...

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