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Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by mrDmrTmrJ »

cataphract wrote: post #82
kylecazar wrote: post #25

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Most probably believe this is a good thing, but don't want to give Zuckerberg credit because a) he's had a profoundly negative impact on society and b) the strategy is transparent, he's trying to commoditize his closed rivals, it's not out of principle. I personally think more open models are a good thing regardless of motive.

Only the AI labs are really interested in closed models. Google, Facebook, Microsoft, ... they'd rather go back to doing stock buybacks and being ridiculously profitable rather than raising capital for all this research and datacenters. They only do it because they think they have to.

If the leading model companies aren't profitable long-term, how do we get the money to continually spend on more research and more compute?

I get that plenty of people don't like big corporations or stock buybacks or certain CEOs, which is fine. But as someone who wants to see AGI happen FASTER, I really want to see a clear financial reason for maximal AGI investment.

If the model labs aren't clearly profitable, or open source models eat all the 'model layer' profit - what financial force will push forward very expensive experiments/scaling, etc.?

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Post by skohan »

overfeed wrote: post #153
drob518 wrote: post #51

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It’s a long term pattern. When you’re winning (Anthropic), you keep the tech closed and try to monetize it as much as possible. When you’re losing (Meta), you open it up or drag it into a standards committee to either devalue it or slow the leader down while you prepare a “standard” version of it. You also highlight how altruistic and morally good you are for having done so. There is nothing new under the sun. It’s a…

> ...drag it into a standards committee to either devalue it or slow the leader down Anthropic et al recently proposed a supranational AI governing body designed to slow everyone down (euphemistically calling it "AI pacing"). Are the Pacer signatories losing?

That could be a move towards regulatory capture. Enact standards that they (and OpenAI) largely control, block access to Chinese models in the US, and effectively prevent challengers from catching up.

At the same time they slow down the arms race, so they can back off on training Capex without losing their lead.

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Post by delecti »

dev_l1x_be wrote: post #136
ViktorRay wrote: post #20

Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

Evil people can do things that look good on the surface. He probably has no skin in this game just collecting free karma points.

Facebook hasn't had much success getting people to use their hosted AI, so they're making those models free instead, to kneecap other companies who are trying to get paying customers for their own hosted AI. This gets people to ask themselves things like: how many months of Claude Max it would take to pay for hardware to run Muse Glimmer (the Meta model in question) offline?

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Post by popalchemist »

ViktorRay wrote: post #20

Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

It's the who, not the what.

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Post by wombat-man »

forestrywat wrote: post #5

Is this "I'm losing so I think we should change the rules"? Because it seems like that.

I think the plan is to move on to selling compute. So yeah, open your models so people can pay to run them on Meta hardware.

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Post by sajithdilshan »

soraminazuki wrote: post #111
basch wrote: post #107

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It has nothing to do with exploiting them. It was about them turning over personal information to a nobody. It can be insightful and curt at the same time.

If you don't see that as exploitation, then we have much bigger issues to discuss. Like baseline ethics.

ethics would be the first thing to sacrifice for profits. I mean meta even broke laws for profits.

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Post by dwedge »

creaturemachine wrote: post #138
baron816 wrote: post #122

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Have you read Sarah Wynn-Williams' book? The whole org is rotten.

I read half of it. I couldn't get paat her weird character attacks at his autism traits, her attacks on the male programmers in general despite most of the problems she faced coming from her (all female) team, and how she tried to frame herself as both indispensable and some unaware victim. I think the moment she wrote about giving birth while writing emails and her doctor begging her to stop as a humblebrag was the end of my relationship with that book

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Post by a2ff6eeb0 »

subygan wrote: post #160
a2ff6eeb0 wrote: post #133

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It's just about as open source as OSX, which can be downloaded zero cost here: http://updates-http.cdn-apple.com/2019/cert/061-39476-201910... I love that Apple made OSX open source.

we're calling it openweights now. what is a logical push to have a completely new paradigm be compared with traditional software binaries?

Check the phrase I quoted. Anyways, I guess OSX is open assembly?
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