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Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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To "win" a war you must have specific and measurable goals. If your politicians start a war but cannot articulate such goals, you're going to lose. They'll assure you they will win, but they've already lost. They are bad at their jobs, why did you hire these morons?

Has anyone does analysis on Home vs Away wars ? Russia is in a Home war. Similarly US is in Away war. Also being a land power vs sea power. US is a sea power vs Iran being a land power.

> Russia is in a Home war

no it is not, Russia is fighting an war of aggression on foreign soil

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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The “special military operation” euphemism that both the US/Russia used in Iran/Ukraine does have a degree of truth. These wars are really military engagements with directional objectives rather than truly existential wars with binary outcomes. Modern wars really resemble Rome’s Germanic wars more than the Punic ones.

It may not be a lot of dying at once, but some modern wars are rivaling these catastrophic wars of old in casualties. By some counts there have already been at least a million casualties in the Ukraine war, and in Gaza there is probably 100,000 casualties now (military + civilian). And, the conflicts in the eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo over the decades have produced about 5–5.4 million casualties, althoug…

https://sonar21.com/the-ny-times-lies-about-russian-and-ukra...

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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It may not be a lot of dying at once, but some modern wars are rivaling these catastrophic wars of old in casualties. By some counts there have already been at least a million casualties in the Ukraine war, and in Gaza there is probably 100,000 casualties now (military + civilian). And, the conflicts in the eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo over the decades have produced about 5–5.4 million casualties, althoug…

https://sonar21.com/the-ny-times-lies-about-russian-and-ukra...

Your article is all over the place and seems to have agenda. It is unable to stay on point and present a coherent argument.

I'd rather trust the Nytimes and the UK intelligence who have confirmed these losses, than some random website pushing an agenda.

By hey, if it makes you happy to create you own reality, you do you.

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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In general, it seems that superpowers are no longer capable of winning wars against medium-sized powers.

I think that the problem might be even more fundamental than that. Ownership of a strategic nuclear deterrent seems to short circuit some of the internals of the modern Westphalian state apparatus. Possible mechanisms include 1) centralizing the threat of force into one singular technical system, and 2) making any condition of peer conflict necessarily existential.

With such technical systems under state control, the state is able to focus on little other than its own powers of destruction. It becomes a zombie state, a tottering shell around an ever-growing national security apparatus. Looking around at the world, this seems to be a common morphological stage in the development of nuclear powers. There is no "collapse of commmunism" nor "collapse of financier capitalism", but different shadings on the same depressing chrysalis.

One aspect of being stuck in such a chrysalis is the utter inability to solve non-existential conflicts. There is an overwhelming tendency to make all conflict existential so the full power of the state may be brought to bear, but it's a tendency offset - so far - by the presence of deterrence. The zombies can smell each other.

The most dangerous scenario, by far, is when a nuclear power has uncertain territorial borders. Ukraine, Taiwan, Korea, Kashmir, a fair hunk of Israel - there is a reason we focus on these places in the news.

This also transforms non-nuclear states into "half sovereign" states, something which we have been seeing play out especially with the end of the SU-US Cold War.

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It is not under US control though. The new president is simply playing each side

Not based on reporting. She is fully controlled by Rubio.

Remotely? That is just making him feel like he is in control. She says yes to everything he says, and then keeps doing the corruption

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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It is not under US control though. The new president is simply playing each side

She knows fully well where she’ll end up if she doesn’t play ball and allow the US to do whatever they want. That’s not what I’d call being in control. All that’s left is a varnish of legality.

Where do you think she will end up if the Venezuelan army don't like her direction? 6 feet under the jungle I expect. Playing both sides

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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The “special military operation” euphemism that both the US/Russia used in Iran/Ukraine does have a degree of truth. These wars are really military engagements with directional objectives rather than truly existential wars with binary outcomes. Modern wars really resemble Rome’s Germanic wars more than the Punic ones.

Russia's goal is direct annexation of about quarter of the Ukrainian territory and installing a lifelong puppet regime to control the other three quarters. Ukrainians stand to lose not just their voice and any semblance of economic prosperity, but also their very identity. With the exception of extreme cases like Gaza, it doesn't get more binary than that.

Well their choice is as a USA/EU Vassal state or Russian one.

I'd say neither is an attractive choice.

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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https://sonar21.com/the-ny-times-lies-about-russian-and-ukra...

Your article is all over the place and seems to have agenda. It is unable to stay on point and present a coherent argument. I'd rather trust the Nytimes and the UK intelligence who have confirmed these losses, than some random website pushing an agenda. By hey, if it makes you happy to create you own reality, you do you.

It's not my article.

As for the NYT, read Ashley Rindsberg's "The Gray Lady Winked."

And British intelligence? Okay then. Let me chortle into my single malt.

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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The DJIA was more or less flat during WW2. Not sure where you've read that it was "great". During the middle of the war it was down 35-40%.

It was certainly not flat. There was a lot of volatility. > Not sure where you've read that it was Well.. I looked at the charts. The bottom was few months after Pearl Harbor and pretty much straight up after that. It certainly did much better after US joined than while it was staying out..

I should have been clearer. From September 1939 - May 1945 (when Germany surrendered), the stock market barely changed:

   September 1939: DJIA was 152.54
   May 1945: DJIA was 168.30
A ~10% increase over almost 6 years is way below average and well below inflation for that time period.

> The bottom was few months after Pearl Harbor and pretty much straight up after that

I mean, you've now picked the bottom of the market as your starting point (and not the start of WW2), so by definition it goes up after that.

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