Live data from Hacker News

The future of Flipper Zero development

blog.flipper.net

161–170 of 206 posts

Re: The future of Flipper Zero development

#161
post #110

Flipper Zero is one of the handiest little pieces of tech I’ve ever owned. Being able to copy RFID keys is occasionally fantastically useful.

I use it to clone remotes of "dumb" devices and emulate them with ESPHome to make them "smart" fully offline under my control.

Can you outline the process here? What transmitters do you use with esp32?

Re: The future of Flipper Zero development

#162
Might be an unpopular opinion, but:

1. They open sourced the entire Software under GPL from the start, and always pushed all their changes to that public github.

2. They supported the first-party firmware for years, including huge rewrites of the interfaces used by applications, etc.

3. They actively involved the community on many topics around the product and were always responsive.

They did their job very well, financed ONLY by one-time sales of hardware. NO subscription or additional licensing fees were ever charged.

There is still alot of potential in the hardware itself (e.g. Bluetooth/BLE, NFC Tag writing,...), and the Community is working on alot of different topics.

--

Tl;DR: The Flipper team is free to go and invest resources elsewhere now. Thanks for your support, keep up the great work!

Re: The future of Flipper Zero development

#163

Flipper Zero is one of the handiest little pieces of tech I’ve ever owned. Being able to copy RFID keys is occasionally fantastically useful.

Is this something you do often? I could see a few use cases and also for copying garage keys. But I don't think I would use it enough to justify the investment

IMO for garage much easier to just add garage door opener that works from your phone.

Re: The future of Flipper Zero development

#164
post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's funny, or maybe sad, is that this used to be a solved problem back in the CD-distribution era of software. You buy the software once (or in this case the hardware that comes with a software license). You get bugfix patches and minor updates for a year. Next year the next version releases with major new features, and you either pay the price of an update or you stay on the version you are on. Good incentives fo…

Are you sure that minecraft pioneered that model? It is certainly a very well-known instance of it, but pioneered?

Maybe popularized is the better word. It probably wasn't the first software ever to do this; free lifetime updates became viable with the internet sometime in the nineties and Minecraft only started doing it in 2009. But at the risk of being proven wrong I'm willing to claim Minecraft was the first software to do this and go mainstream, being recognizable outside its niche

Re: The future of Flipper Zero development

#165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is just another way of saying "this is why most developers prefer subscriptions over one-time sales"

What's funny, or maybe sad, is that this used to be a solved problem back in the CD-distribution era of software. You buy the software once (or in this case the hardware that comes with a software license). You get bugfix patches and minor updates for a year. Next year the next version releases with major new features, and you either pay the price of an update or you stay on the version you are on. Good incentives fo…

I don't remember minecraft being a driver of this - I do remember Patio11 on here being very influential in start ups doing subscription software instead of "finished" desktop applications.

That is not to blame him, but I remember his writing being very influential with start up founders.

Re: The future of Flipper Zero development

#167
post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy fix: Allow donations, merge updates once donation pool is enough to pay for the maintainers' time.

Donating to a russian company with all the sanctions in place?

What makes it a Russian company? The team is allegedly spread across the globe, the company (Flipper Devices Inc.) is registered in DE, USA and there's a London office.

Re: The future of Flipper Zero development

#168

Tough spot with community that expects firmware updates while hardware sells only once

Easy fix: Allow donations, merge updates once donation pool is enough to pay for the maintainers' time.

has that ever worked, ever?

I've heard people talk about this "solution" for over a decade, especially with crypto trying to justify itself, but I've never seen it successful.

Re: The future of Flipper Zero development

#170
post #166

Everyone I know who owns a flipper almost immediately installs some 3rd party firmware like Momentum on it.

Yes, this is the way things should be, imho - let the company building the hardware have the say on the base OS, but then let there be forks/contributions from the wider community, which will keep the hardware alive long past the cutoff valve on the production line.

There are many good examples of this working out great for the community, one that I am playing with recently is the community firmware for the Synthstrom Deluge music production workstation, where the community is just taking it into the stratosphere in terms of capabilities beyond the original factory firmware.

There will always be folks who want to share their work.

Another good example is the pwnagotchi scene, where the project is kept alive by its users due to the open source nature of the original firmware images.

Post reply on HN