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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by enraged_camel »

stavarotti wrote: post #55

I just finished reading Incorruptible and a central theme (Anthropic is a case study) is that trust is singularly the most important currency a business has. The past few weeks have done wonders for Anthropic’s marketing but just as much if not more damage to the trust factor. Businesses will continue to use Anthropic because it’s the default and accessible where it matters (AWS, Azure, GCP, Databricks, Snowflake, et…

>> The past few weeks have done wonders for Anthropic’s marketing but just as much if not more damage to the trust factor.

I don’t agree with this at all. IMO Anthropic has shown that that are willing to take even significant financial hits in order to stand up to their values and mitigate what they consider to be dangers and risks. Some people don’t like that or think it’s just marketing. But that’s exactly what Incorruptible is about: companies that are willing to take a stand, even in the face of overwhelming pressure from competitors, shareholders and naysayers.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by rvz »

tamimio wrote: post #30
sgc wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds more like they are implementing mass surveillance and reporting whatever the US Gov wants for 'security reasons' back to them.

Yeah, it feels like a honeypot at this point. Gonna go with GLM instead

Smart thinking.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by musha68k »

modriano wrote: post #148
andy99 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the discussion this week have been about GLM, Qwen, etc. Both over 1000 comments in the last couple days. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48709670 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48721903 Of course Anthropic is still relevant, but people have realized they’re not special, and between this and the ID verification thing, they’ve given up a ton of their relevance vs a month ago.

I used Fable 5 for maybe 10 hours in the window when it was available. It was much better than Opus 4.8. And I have found the Opus models to be excellent, but Fable 5 was cranking out incredible research on some data sources I wanted to plumb into my project. I wouldn't personally pay API pricing for it for my personal projects, but I bet it's going to be absolutely slammed with usage for the next month+.

No doubt Anthropic Mythos/Fable are frontier. I also miss having access as it uncovered some "evals repellant" regressions on my personal pet factory.

OTOH for most of my day to day work I've come to realize that faster ~ Opus 4.6 / GPT 5.3 level capabilities could be the sweet spot as scaffolding has to be put in place right after clean specs and constant review anyways. The latest chinese models and GLM 5.2 in particular felt on-par on that front.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by kcb »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

LLMs are still easily replaceable. If the SOTA frontier model provides meaningful impact for your critical business function, then worse case you flip the switch to the next most capable model.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by wonnage »

satvikpendem wrote: post #142
cedws wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have plenty of experience with LLMs and use them daily but definitely wouldn't call generated code "quality code." Often looks like complete vomit.

If you're an enterprise (including startups), you worry about customers, not code quality. There are famously many startups that gained traction despite shit code and then eventually got around to fixing it, to whatever extent was possible, like Facebook HHVM, Stripe's Sorbet, etc.

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by rafram »

SwellJoe wrote: post #96
Sammi wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a small software business owner in Europe. I have to assume my competition is willing to pay for any business advantage they can get. And so I also have to pay for the SOTA model, whatever it is.

The good news (for you and most everyone other than the current leading AI companies), the gap between the SOTA and the near-frontiers is getting smaller every week or two. The leading Chinese models are only a few months behind now (GLM 5.2 tickles the tail of GPT 5.3 or 5.4 and Opus 4.6, according to benchmarks and the vibes among heavy users who've spent some time with it), where they were a couple of years behind…

4.6 was released at the beginning of February, so if the Chinese models only "tickle its tail," that means they're >5 months behind.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by blooalien »

catigula wrote: post #121
softwaredoug wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real problem is the White House just making up the rules as it goes. No laws. No predictably for the markets. A week or so pause from seemingly legitimate cyber security concerns isn’t cause for panic. But it should be backed by laws that describe what that process should be. That would put the market at ease

There’s no optimal answer. The reality is this is world-ending technology and absolutely nobody knows what to do or can even agree that the problem exists.

> "The reality is this is world-ending technology and absolutely nobody knows what to do or can even agree that the problem exists."

The reality is that the "people in power" believe it is "world-ending technology" and will therefore use it in world-ending ways. People are absolutely 100% the danger here, not the technology.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by killingtime74 »

nickandbro wrote: post #75
nlh wrote: post #5

Here's a copy of the letter that Commerce sent to Anthropic (note who it'a NOT addressed to...) Source: https://x.com/AndrewCurran_/status/2072103733715194048?s=20 ------- June 30, 2026 Tom Brown Chief Compute Officer Anthropic 548 Market Street San Francisco, CA 94104 Dear Mr. Brown: Since the issuance of my previous letters, dated June 12, 2026 and June 26, 2026, Anthropic has taken steps in close coordination with…

Jeff is now going to have to change his number. Can’t imagine all the calls or messages he must be getting now

You don't think public officials have official numbers?

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by trvz »

rafram wrote: post #167
SwellJoe wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The good news (for you and most everyone other than the current leading AI companies), the gap between the SOTA and the near-frontiers is getting smaller every week or two. The leading Chinese models are only a few months behind now (GLM 5.2 tickles the tail of GPT 5.3 or 5.4 and Opus 4.6, according to benchmarks and the vibes among heavy users who've spent some time with it), where they were a couple of years behind…

4.6 was released at the beginning of February, so if the Chinese models only "tickle its tail," that means they're >5 months behind.

> The leading Chinese models are only a few months behind now
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