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Or admin/1234 which is about 90% of them
You’re saying f the camera will talk to the firewall using a username and password and open a hole/port forward?
Open a Bittorrent client and it will try and port forward port 6881 using UPnP.
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Or admin/1234 which is about 90% of them
You’re saying f the camera will talk to the firewall using a username and password and open a hole/port forward?
Some cameras do also open ports with UPnP but it's rare in my experience. I think these cams are more users who are a bit technical but not too much to realise the implications.
Everyone: For a moment forget everything you know about computers and wonder if perhaps 99% of normies are just following the directions on the package of their $19 Chinese IP camera. They have no idea what a firewall is, or what the "public internet" even means. There's also a difference between your neighbor not closing her blinds and you using a telescope to look inside her apartment, which is what sites like this…
I still don’t understand how someone can end up accidentally exposing things to the public internet. With every ISP I have ever had in my country, it’s all NAT by default. Whatever I connect to my network, wired or wireless, would not be publicly accessible just like that unless I really really went out of my way to make it publicly accessible. How do so many people end up exposing these cameras to the public interne…
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The answer is to make sharing secure, easy, and with informed consent. The answer is not to impose IP addresses, NAT routing, keys, etc. so that only technical people can give their consent.
How _does_ it work then, without imposing IP addresses, NAT routing, keys, etc?
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A space can be considered private by the occupant, but the addition of an IP camera makes it not private. They are not contradictory statements.
This is both completely wrong from a concrete standpoint (if I put an ip camera in your home broadcasting without your knowledge, your home doesn't become magically "a public space"- you still have a full right to privacy); and completely trivial from a literal standpoint (if everyone can see you then you are in public, hey no shit Sherlock). Which makes me think that people proposing such view are not, in fact, tryi…
When I'm in my home, I can consider that private and have a right to privacy, and at the same time there can be a camera in there broadcasting to a million people so in no stretch of the word do I have privacy, and my home is not private, and those two truths are not dependent on whether the camera being there, or people watching the feed, is right or wrong.
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This is both completely wrong from a concrete standpoint (if I put an ip camera in your home broadcasting without your knowledge, your home doesn't become magically "a public space"- you still have a full right to privacy); and completely trivial from a literal standpoint (if everyone can see you then you are in public, hey no shit Sherlock). Which makes me think that people proposing such view are not, in fact, tryi…
OK, I won't bother trying to talk further with someone who thinks in false dichotomies and cannot understand that two things can be true at the same time. When I'm in my home, I can consider that private and have a right to privacy, and at the same time there can be a camera in there broadcasting to a million people so in no stretch of the word do I have privacy, and my home is not private, and those two truths are n…
Agreed
> at the same time there can be a camera in there broadcasting to a million people so in no stretch of the word do I have privacy and my home is not private
Agreed.
And this is the situation we're discussing now: people who are in a private space, whose privacy is violated by an ip camera that makes their private things accessible to the public. This is the description of the website this entire thread is about. What did you add to the conversation?
I think the author of the website should next work on some kind of alerting system for the owners of these webcams to let them know they're exposed and how to make them private. Then everyone could get what they want: voyeurs can watch exhibitionists like God intended.
How do you manage that? I tried setting up a specialized directory of type-related websites and pages back around 1999–2001 and trying to find contact info for websites was difficult then when people still had public WHOIS info most of the time. I can’t imagine any scalable way to be able to connect to the owners of cams where you have little more than an IP address to work from. (Not sure how much metadata there is…
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Cool. The Chinese DVR the CCTV installer used doesn't work that way. In fact it probably has a telnet server with a known, hardcoded root password.
It ought to be that reputable retailers in western countries refuse to sell this junk, instead only selling ones they consider secure. Just like they won't sell dangerous toys. But probably most of these cameras are bought through Amazon, AliExpress or Temu.