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Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by ihateolives »

gnabgib wrote: post #157
ihateolives wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you from UK perhaps? Because UK is the only place I know where "asian" also includes India and Pakistan. Everywhere else India is sort of separate entity and always mentioned separately.

You don't get out much? (in alpha) Asia, Australia, Canada, Europe, Middle-East (sorry, that's a western term) all include west Asia in the definition.

I'm from Europe and never hear indians clumped together with chinese as "asian". When speaking of geography, then yes, but that's about it. It's always "Indian startup", never "Asian startup" for example. Indian food, not Asian food etc. YMMV

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Post by LarsDu88 »

cdurth wrote: post #62

I tried the Fugu models with some real world tales in C# and unity using mcp and open code. I exhausted the $20 plan 5 hour window in one prompt to review my theme system and plan some color changes. So I upgraded to the $100 to see the implementation and result. Well the result was worse than Opus, incredibly slow, and I ended up exhausting the new 5 hour window and have used 35% of the weekly now and it hardly crea…

Which unity mcp do you use? I've been playing around with the official one, but was wondering what other folks use.

Ran into a package conflict issue with the popular coplay one

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Post by defrost »

ihateolives wrote: post #161
gnabgib wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't get out much? (in alpha) Asia, Australia, Canada, Europe, Middle-East (sorry, that's a western term) all include west Asia in the definition.

I'm from Europe and never hear indians clumped together with chinese as "asian". When speaking of geography, then yes, but that's about it. It's always "Indian startup", never "Asian startup" for example. Indian food, not Asian food etc. YMMV

The UK is part of Europe despite leaving the EU (which is of course not equivalent to "Europe").

In the UK it is common for the British to refer to both Pakistanis and Indians as Asian and not uncommon for the Chinese to be lumped in the Asian category as an umbrella term (and also to highlight someone or some company as being specifically Chinese).

I guess it really comes down to habits in particular parts of Europe and which parts of Europe you travel in.

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Post by root_axis »

neom wrote: post #111
firefoxd wrote: post #95

I'm expecting a ban of "foreign" llms due to "safety concerns" before the year is over. It will have nothing to do with the actual performance. But anthropic has set the bar for mythos-like systems, and whatever meets that loosely defined bar will be unsafe for the public.

How would that work in practice?

If you host it or are caught running it locally, then you go to jail.

Since it's a national security issue, they'll be inclined to enforce aggressively.

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Post by winrid »

root_axis wrote: post #164
neom wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would that work in practice?

If you host it or are caught running it locally, then you go to jail. Since it's a national security issue, they'll be inclined to enforce aggressively.

Next we'll be putting smart people in jail for being too dangerous.

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Post by valleyer »

ninjalanternshk wrote: post #146
valleyer wrote: post #143

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Well, in part because the phenomenon has been discussed on Web forums that (a) have at this point made their way back into training data and (b) are accessible in Web searches that the model can invoke. And in part because the model can "know" what its initial instinct is and "decide" to go against it.

Yeah this is about the worst way you could imagine to evaluate an AI model. If you’d given it a real task you’d have been impressed. I was floored by the day I spent with Fable. Got weeks of work done.

Oh, I was also quite happy with Fable. I was just answering the question asked.

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Post by N_Lens »

ihateolives wrote: post #161
gnabgib wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't get out much? (in alpha) Asia, Australia, Canada, Europe, Middle-East (sorry, that's a western term) all include west Asia in the definition.

I'm from Europe and never hear indians clumped together with chinese as "asian". When speaking of geography, then yes, but that's about it. It's always "Indian startup", never "Asian startup" for example. Indian food, not Asian food etc. YMMV

Same in Australia. India/Bangladesh/Pakistan is specifically referred to as South Asian.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by zeristor »

josephg wrote: post #159
cheema33 wrote: post #155

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> I tested Fable through Cursor; I tested Fable for a whole day. And my experience was quite the opposite. I was blown away. Admittedly, I did not try it through a middleman like Cursor. I used Claude Code CLI.

Me too. It’s output was fabulous. And it acted like a senior engineer - actually coding up hypotheses, testing them, finding problems and presenting good, usable recommendations backed by solid evidence and wisdom. It can probably do most of my job, which gave me a bit of an existential crisis. I’ve paused my Claude subscription until they bring it back. Opus makes mistakes constantly, on every level of abstraction.…

Opus 4.8 works like that for me. I have it writing ADRs, then my main architect worker challenging it.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by cloudengineer94 »

Just like many comments have been saying here, I also tested Fugu and some others and what I noticed is that they are quite expensive models, 20$ is not enough to complete a full workflow which in Opus it's possible, sure you might need to improve your prompt from the get go with Opus if you want the best results but so far that's my experience.

My next test will be Agentic systems and see how they perform

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