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Military branches restore flu shot requirement after virus swept through base

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Re: Military branches restore flu shot requirement after virus swept through base

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Post by red-iron-pine »

sandworm101 wrote: post #113
jemmyw wrote: post #109

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The US has a volunteer army, if you don't want to do army things why be there in the first place?

Volunteer, but only on the way in. And new recruits are very young. Things in thier lives change. They grow up a bit and often want out, but cant get out. Being stuck in a multi-year term of service doesnt feel like a volunteer army to them.

yeah this be the answer.

easy to volunteer when you're a hoodrat or hillbilly and it's the only way out of your situation.

but that's just the way in. Problem is you're on the hook for 4+ years and you can't just quit. I've definitely had white collar jobs I got to, realized it was fuckin miserable, and noped out in you end up in a shitty unit with a shitty boss, you get to eat shit for ~4 years, and will go to jail if you fuckup or disappear.

put another way, there is some statistic like 25% of military recruits who get kicked out get kicked out in the first year; it wasn't what they thought it'd be

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Post by Terr_ »

fhdkweig wrote: post #145
Terr_ wrote: post #76

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Some minutes later, and this is my best guess in the form of original with code comments. I got to the end and then backfilled the group names. There's a double layer of irony here, # There is something wrong and hypocritical. # where the people # People who thought vaccines were good criticizing people # criticized anti-vaxxers, of the ignorance # saying the anti-vaxxers didn't realize of "unintended" consequences #…

> Compare to: "Well, the car I was driving is wrecked, and it's all your fault! You should have known that I don't like being told what do to, so by telling me to slow down you forced me to accelerate into that barrier to prove that you aren't the boss of me. We could have avoided this whole mess if you'd simply babied my special needs and irrationalities like an adult." This is also known as "Look what you made me d…

Especially over the last few years, I've become worried that a certain sizeable minority exists who will read the phrase and not see any problem.

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Post by iJohnDoe »

hackingonempty wrote: post #134
iJohnDoe wrote: post #96

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All of this talk about reality is giving them way too much credit. The simple fact is that we’re dealing with idiots and pure stupidity. Idiots elected them and the idiots are having their day in the sun. Unfortunately, their stupidity is no longer contained to the office environments and executive leadership roles they had before. They are unfortunately able to make decisions that affect the general population. The…

Secretary Hegseth earned a BA from Princeton and an MPP from Harvard. Princeton and Harvard are graduating idiots?

Thank goodness! Such a relief! In that case, since he went to Princeton and Harvard, we shouldn’t consider his actions idiotic. Instead his actions are malicious intent.

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Post by mrguyorama »

hammock wrote: post #141
Terr_ wrote: post #103

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> prior to Bidens election it was mostly Democrats who were saying they weren’t going to take the vaccine Nope, look at Figure 10 in this poll [0]. Asked about a hypothetical vaccine in the next ~2 months before the election was held, the answer "Yes, would want to get vaccinated" was 50% for Democrats and only 36% for Republicans. Democrats may have become more confident after the election--for damn good reasons--bu…

I appreciate the data and am prepared to concede the point. It seems like a mixed result though, as quite a bit of sentiment did flip after the election. From your study: “85% of Democrats say they are worried the FDA will rush to approve a vaccine, while fewer Republicans (35%) express this level of concern. Notably, women are more likely than men to say they are worried the FDA will rush to approve a vaccine (70% v…

Lots of Democrats were worried that Trump's FDA would do something stupid or bad around the vaccine, but those democrats largely changed their mind when Trump's FDA presented good evidence of the vaccines efficacy and safety.

They responded to evidence by changing the way they view the world. Like you are supposed to.

Meanwhile, Republicans while Trump was in the whitehouse were not very concerned that the vaccine would be rushed or unsafe, and as soon as Biden is in the whitehouse instead, are suddenly terrified of the vaccine.

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Post by dredmorbius »

pchangr wrote: post #154
Balgair wrote: post #149

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Wait no? Democracy works exactly because of this? We just poll all the people, including the dumb ones, and then average out the answers. The dumbs all cancel out in the end. (Yes, of course , I know it is a lot more complex than this) The whole point of democracy is that we don't know what is the dumb or smart answer so we have these complex functions and dances to squeeze out the best one we can think of at the tim…

I remember a professor once told us “democracy might not be the best kind of government. It’s just the best we have found to organize a peaceful power transition”. And .. to this date .. I agree .. it’s not about making the best decision.. it just allows us to come to a decision on a seemingly fair process.

Given the Weberian definition of government I'm wont to go on about, democracy optimises for legitimacy, rather than optimal decisionmaking, speed, efficiency, or any number of other possible goals.

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Post by andai »

andai wrote: post #44
neilv wrote: post #31

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community

> The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' [...] 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, c…

Bush Admin was doing Hyperstition before it was cool B)

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Post by lmm »

Arodex wrote: post #131
lmm wrote: post #115

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> 1) mRNA technology was not experimental Perhaps, but the specific vaccines were. > 2) I don't know about you but I got my shot in the shoulder, not the back door As I'm sure you understood, I was talking about coercion by the back door - the whole "we're not going to force individuals to vaccinate, but we're going to force restaurants and gyms to require vaccination" approach. (And don't try to say it was an object…

>And don't try to say it was an objective public health measure - if that was the case they would've made natural immunity as acceptable as vaccination) It was an objective public health measure, because it is well-known from actual examples that opening such option would lead people to try to get infected instead of being vaccinated, breeding even more variants and hospital saturation. Note also that "previous conta…

> It was an objective public health measure, because it is well-known from actual examples that opening such option would lead people to try to get infected instead of being vaccinated, breeding even more variants and hospital saturation.

Bullshit.

> Note also that "previous contamination" has never been an acceptable derogation in any public health system for any of the compulsory vaccinations.

Nonsense. Literally the first example I looked up was the CDC's measles vaccination advice https://www.cdc.gov/measles/hcp/vaccine-considerations/index... : laboratory confirmation of immunity or of the disease is considered presumptive evidence of immunity in exactly the same way that a vaccination record is.

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Post by andai »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #68
esafak wrote: post #52

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I'm still waiting to hear that soliloquy in a movie.

It's pretty much a rewrite of a famous monologue in Network , for those who haven't seen that before. At least in tone and delivery.

https://youtu.be/35DSdw7dHjs

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Post by hammock »

mrguyorama wrote: post #164
hammock wrote: post #141

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I appreciate the data and am prepared to concede the point. It seems like a mixed result though, as quite a bit of sentiment did flip after the election. From your study: “85% of Democrats say they are worried the FDA will rush to approve a vaccine, while fewer Republicans (35%) express this level of concern. Notably, women are more likely than men to say they are worried the FDA will rush to approve a vaccine (70% v…

Lots of Democrats were worried that Trump's FDA would do something stupid or bad around the vaccine, but those democrats largely changed their mind when Trump's FDA presented good evidence of the vaccines efficacy and safety. They responded to evidence by changing the way they view the world. Like you are supposed to. Meanwhile, Republicans while Trump was in the whitehouse were not very concerned that the vaccine wo…

What do those same democrats think about Trump’s HHS/FDA now, and why is it so different?

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Post by hammock »

Starman_Jones wrote: post #146
hammock wrote: post #142

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> Did we ever get a vaccine for trench foot? > No, because trench foot is something not treatable by vaccines. Isn’t that tautological? History and the future are full of things that can be treated with a vaccine that were not previously.

I apologize if I’m missing the point you’re making, but trench foot and vaccines are completely unrelated. Vaccines fundamentally impact viruses. Trench foot is not caused by a virus, or any infection. It’s more akin to frostbite. We’re really pushing the boundaries of what we can do with vaccines, but the root cause of trench foot is poor circulation, and a vaccine can’t really fix that.

I thought we are making cancer vaccines now. We are literally developing vaccines to fight thrombosis (aka blood circulation).[1] And we have vaccines that work against bacteria, specific toxins, parasites etc. Not sure you and I agree on what a vaccine is or does.

[1] https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/HYPERTENSIONAHA.118....

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