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Reid Hoffman says SpaceX 'not an AI company', xAI 'complete train wreck'

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Re: Reid Hoffman says SpaceX 'not an AI company', xAI 'complete train wreck'

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Post by nailer »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #142
AJRF wrote: post #20

How is Reid Hoffman relevant? Someone like Elon being asked for their opinion on tech - I kind of understand - was at least at the coal face of SpaceX and Tesla for a time, seemed to understand the tech and was not terrible when it came to direction. Zuck I'd get, Bezos, Dario, Sam - but I don't actually get why Reid is always in the conversation - he's never been in front of anything

> How is Reid Hoffman relevant? What does this actually mean? I’ve always taken this use of relevance as an influencer metric.

It means why do we care what the LinkedIn founder has to say about xAI.

The answer seems to be "we don't, he's on the board of a competiting AI company"

Re: Reid Hoffman says SpaceX 'not an AI company', xAI 'complete train wreck'

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

spacington wrote: post #102
giancarlostoro wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not interested in people's take on SpaceX this early after their IPO, they have an ambitious vision and Elon Musk gets a lot of blind hatred. You don't invest into SpaceX to see returns in a month, you're in it for the next five or more years or you're better off finding a different stock to invest in. To date SpaceX is the top leader in getting things into space for the lowest cost, everyone else pales in compar…

Space-x is it's biggest customer. Star Link is the main thing which increased the payload to space significantly. Star Link only has 10 million customers and every few minutes a satellite handover is happening which makes it hard to use for video call (was my experience at a friend's house) While this business is paying of right now others will get into it too and destroying SpaceX margin (china etc) Now what else on…

Given who are the biggest customers for Starlink services, the worst thing for the company might be peace breaking out.

Re: Reid Hoffman says SpaceX 'not an AI company', xAI 'complete train wreck'

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Post by DoesntMatter22 »

llm_nerd wrote: post #110
jerf wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, a guy with probably one of the largest incentives in the world to trash xAI is trashing xAI? The information content of this is rather minimal. Even if everything he says is literally true it's hard to tell through the massive, massive vested interest he has. And it doesn't help that... 'Hoffman, who is an investor in both Anthropic and OpenAI, pushed back firmly on the narrative that the two companies are in a z…

>So, a guy with probably one of the largest incentives in the world to trash xAI is trashing xAI? He's just stating the obvious, so I really don't see this as contentious. xAI is irrelevant. It's so irrelevant that after being relegated hardware from Tesla, then pushed into Twitter to try to make that have value, then pushed into SpaceX because Elon Musk somehow gets away with hilarious levels of securities fraud, no…

XAI is very relevant. They have one of the best video models, they own cursor which has a good percent of the coding market. Anthropic runs thier ai on xai’s data centers.

Saying they aren’t relevant is comical

Re: Reid Hoffman says SpaceX 'not an AI company', xAI 'complete train wreck'

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Post by nailer »

xnx wrote: post #87
AJRF wrote: post #20

How is Reid Hoffman relevant? Someone like Elon being asked for their opinion on tech - I kind of understand - was at least at the coal face of SpaceX and Tesla for a time, seemed to understand the tech and was not terrible when it came to direction. Zuck I'd get, Bezos, Dario, Sam - but I don't actually get why Reid is always in the conversation - he's never been in front of anything

Is Elon credible? He's been wrong so so many times about "full" self driving: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono...

And? Self driving works. I've taken a bunch of cars in Miami and UAE where somebody was at the wheel for legal reasons only.

Re: Reid Hoffman says SpaceX 'not an AI company', xAI 'complete train wreck'

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Post by indoordin0saur »

kklisura wrote: post #86

SpaceX renting out their compute to competitors is what crashes the "AI company" notion. They are either datacenter company or an AI company - but it cannot be both.

The fact that dozens of companies seem to have been able to produce great models, and the mid-tier ones are only months behind the frontier models tells me that just having a great model is not much of a moat. It may actually be having the physical stuff that makes all of this possible is the bigger revenue generator.

Re: Reid Hoffman says SpaceX 'not an AI company', xAI 'complete train wreck'

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

tantalor wrote: post #146
petilon wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn't you listen to a company on why their product solves the problem you're having?

Since you're not picking up on a social subtext, "we should not listen to them" here means "don't be influenced by them" or "don't take their words as granted". In other words, we should be skeptical, not literally shut them out.

> we should be skeptical, not literally shut them out

To be fair, this isn’t obvious from the top comment. Another comment literally argues for shutting them out [1].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48660630

Re: Reid Hoffman says SpaceX 'not an AI company', xAI 'complete train wreck'

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Post by andsoitis »

jedimastert wrote: post #153
andsoitis wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ok boomer. Reid Hoffman is not a boomer. He was born in 1967. Also: ageism isn't sexy.

The usage of the phrase has evolved past carrying about the actual generation (kind of like how people still talk about "millennials" like they're college students). Also, Hoffman very intentionally opened the door to talking about generational differences, this kind of feels like the commenter may have touched a nerve

"Ok boomer", as I understand it, basically means "I'm not going to engage seriously with that outdated perspective", often used to shut down a conversation rather than to continue it.

I don't know that what Reid is expressing is an outdated perspective, but that's of course subjective.

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