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NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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It’ll be the first organization to get access to Epic/Saga/Legend/Bible/Torah/Sutra/Vedan/whatever the Mythos+1 is called - and it might be the only one with this privilege

More likely they'll convince congress they will need their own. Only it will 20-200 times more expensive and the US taxpayer will be paying for it but won't get access.

That would meet the OP's goal of NSA never getting a frontier model, "behind schedule" is the natural partner of "over budget".

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How are they going to MITM communications with certs that never left my machine? Are you suggesting they broke TLS or that they've somehow acquired every private cert generated?

How closely have you reviewed your browser's list of default trusted CAs?

I second this: HTTPS (as most consumers use it) is probably a front (who are these CA's really anyway?)

Plot twist: _Perhaps_ Mythos / Fable keeps explaining ways (that we can't comprehend or don't always work) to break HTTPS due to the three letter agencies making sure they had input on their creation (and thus backdoors, I mean "bugs"), so the real catastrophe they are hiding is that HTTPS is broken (for most people, most of the time.)

Remember when Quantum computing was the threat to HTTPS? Turns out it was the humans own inability to think outside of the box!

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I can't say what they're doing now because I worked for the NSA 15 years ago but the view of them as an omnipotent power is a product of Hollywood. The government is good at throwing an ungodly amount of resources at something to get a result through sheer attrition, and so they are often the source of original development of technologies. The private sector has always been much better at building a technology to gre…

I’ve heard of “blue suiters” for air force brass, but never blue badgers. Anyways, isn’t NSA one of the largest employers of mathematicians in the world? Surely they’re doing something useful.

Blue badges were for government employees (like I was), and green badges were for private contractors. And yes they have a lot of math and physics guys; my own physics lecturer was in my orientation class, actually. He was there for quantum computing, which reinforces my point. The government can be good at pioneering unproven / uncommercialized technologies, but in general they are like a blunt weapon; the profit motive and lack of bureaucracy eventually makes the private sector far better for improving the technology later. In the case of LLMs, they didn't even originate in government, and I don't think there's any chance they are being developed there at a more advanced level.

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Probably not. The US constitution limits what government can force on the people. If the NSA tries to force something that will spend years in court (if anyone wants to fight)

The constitution limits a lot of things that this administration has done regardless.

I hear you but, the Patriot act was the gateway. View it as a spectrum from then and how the Administration is now, and suddenly what the Donald is doing doesn't even seem bad: it seems on par for the dystopian road-map laid out long ago (I can't speak for before 9/11)

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I can't say what they're doing now because I worked for the NSA 15 years ago but the view of them as an omnipotent power is a product of Hollywood. The government is good at throwing an ungodly amount of resources at something to get a result through sheer attrition, and so they are often the source of original development of technologies. The private sector has always been much better at building a technology to gre…

I’ve heard of “blue suiters” for air force brass, but never blue badgers. Anyways, isn’t NSA one of the largest employers of mathematicians in the world? Surely they’re doing something useful.

Cryptography, I guess? Not really related to LLMs...

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Doesn't make any sense. They could just force them to provide Mythos to the federal government.

Yeah... NSA literally has MITM proxies/interception of any traffic they want inside every major US tech company (based on my reading/following of Snowden leaks and others). Anthropic wouldn't be able to exist without implicit NSA approval. This article reads more like a marketing piece for Anthropic/Mythos... and ends by talking about how much NSA wants Anthropic models. Propaganda.

Propaganda indeed: my instinct says we are being lied to about how three letter agencies and military are paying for services. They give us a PR front that Uncle Sam is a regular paying customer just like you and me, but they're probably running the show: this is the largest data gathering operation since 9/11.

Sorry everyone: but the conspiracy is so obviously not, it's nauseating to admit, because you see all your friends, family and co workers dumping so much everyday data into these services.

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Serious question, do you realize that the NSA are mere mortals? Do you realize how much it takes to train a model? Does the NSA make their own chips or planes? The NSA buys a lot of technology because they can't make their own.

You mean "Rhetorical question," and I didn't need patronising. They have at least one pretty vast, largely classified data centre in Utah, with a sizeable chunk of the black budget and they also have pretty large data sets.

Whats in Utah is data storage.

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> NSA literally has MITM proxies/interception of any traffic they want inside every major US tech company No, they don't.

https://blog.encrypt.me/2013/11/05/ssl-added-and-removed-her... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A Yeah, they did (and probably do).

I recall having a nuclear meltdown personally when I heard about all of this in the mid aughts. Nobody cared. Nobody understands this today. Everyone just complains about the Donald, but I point to this, and they don't realize the connection.
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