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Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by KronisLV » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:21 PM UTC

herodoturtle wrote: post #23

SimianSci wrote: post #14

More signal that the open-weight models should be our destiny as an industry. These proprietary models are being used to usher in more surveillance and gatekeeping across the industry.

I’m curious (and please forgive my ignorance if it’s obvious), are open weight models practically feasible? I mean from a financial and sustainability standpoint, assuming they’re equally powerful as their proprietary counterparts. I guess I’m trying to understand the economics of it.

> I mean from a financial and sustainability standpoint, assuming they’re equally powerful as their proprietary counterparts.

Presently they trail SOTA by about 6-12 months, not on par (average across everything they do).

DeepSeek V4 Pro with Max reasoning is very affordable even if you pay per-token, this month I pushed about 486 million tokens through it (I will admit that >95% was cache hits, for agentic development pretty typical) and it cost me about 8 USD in total. Meanwhile with Opus or even Sonnet if I had to pay API prices, I would be a more sad camper. That model makes a lot of stupid things though, so not ideal.

Meanwhile GLM-5.2 that came out is also quote capable and is near Opus in many tasks, all while their coding plan is more cost effective than Anthropic's: https://z.ai/subscribe

I will still stick with Anthropic but consider downgrading from Max 5x to Pro which will change the monthly expenses from around 108 EUR down to For the consumer, that is doable and practical.

For the people actually running these models, who knows - at least DeepSeek and others are trying to make the models more efficient so the numbers are more feasible.

Also have run Qwen3.6 35B A3B on prem and it kinda sucks. Way better than models that size a year ago, but still lags behind Sonnet and also DeepSeek V4 Flash due to the size limits. Plus to even run myself I'd need a pretty beefy setup, most likely a pair of Intel Arc Pro B70s with 32 GB of VRAM each that I could still run off of my PSU but the actual model output would be kinda bullshit and I'd have to spend an unpleasant amount of time fixing it.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by derwiki » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:22 PM UTC

nubinetwork wrote: post #118

Considering that you need a credit card to pay for the tokens, why does anthropic need to verify your age or identity? Yes, I suppose some kid could steal my credit card, but I've got bigger problems if that happens...

I use a privacy.com card and not my real name

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by scottyah » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:22 PM UTC

axus wrote: post #137

thewebguyd wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because (collective) we don't own the tech. Frontier models are proprietary, their reasoning logic is hidden, and as seen with Fable the government giveth and taketh away on a whim. Capabilities can be gated behind certification programs, or by money, or any other numerous corrupt and non-corrupt means. Model capabilities can be segregated by pricing tiers, creating an economic underclass that cannot afford access to…

AI isn't the problem, concentration of power is the problem. I think we agree!

Your "concentration of power" is just two labs making models that most people prefer the last couple of months. Neither has more access to capital and resources than Google, more ability to pivot quickly than Xai, more access to labor than all of the Chinese labs, etc. How do you keep from a "concentration of power" without just forcing subsets of the population to use a known lesser model, or purposely kneecapping Research and Development at the labs that currently have the best models?

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by dang » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:22 PM UTC

gib444 wrote: post #65

Aurornis wrote: post #31

This is an updated terms of service, but they've had ID verification for certain accounts and situations for months. Here is the Wayback Machine archive from April of their identity verification help page: https://web.archive.org/web/20260415064244/https://support.c... Here's a random Reddit thread from 2 months ago about them rolling out identity verification: https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1smr9vs/claud…

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You broke the site guidelines here. If you'd please review and stick to them, we'd appreciate it.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by fyltr » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:23 PM UTC

pc86 wrote: post #151

munk-a wrote: post #63

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There are two rationale objections, I think... One is the potential for skill rot where AI grows a heavy dependence in new employees and once the real price per token cost is settled on and discoverable (post massive IPOs and probably a while post - not immediately after) we, as a society, are left with a bunch of people dependent on a deeply inefficient technology to maintain software we now view as vital that might…

What climate change have to do with anything?

there are claims that llms might be taxing on the planet to run BUT that they will solve [some, all] problems including climate change and therefore be beneficial in the long run.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by axus » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:25 PM UTC

scottyah wrote: post #163

axus wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI isn't the problem, concentration of power is the problem. I think we agree!

Your "concentration of power" is just two labs making models that most people prefer the last couple of months. Neither has more access to capital and resources than Google, more ability to pivot quickly than Xai, more access to labor than all of the Chinese labs, etc. How do you keep from a "concentration of power" without just forcing subsets of the population to use a known lesser model, or purposely kneecapping R…

I was agreeing with the parent's conclusion: "For humanity to benefit, the tech needs to be open and equally available to all."

Reducing the power of AI / restricting its export / arresting people who "use it wrong" is counter to that.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by hn_acc1 » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:26 PM UTC

roadside_picnic wrote: post #58

herodoturtle wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m curious (and please forgive my ignorance if it’s obvious), are open weight models practically feasible? I mean from a financial and sustainability standpoint, assuming they’re equally powerful as their proprietary counterparts. I guess I’m trying to understand the economics of it.

See my comment to parent. I've been using local LLMs for practical, personal tasks for a few months now very successfuly. You can run fantastic local models if you have either: - M-series Apple device with ideally >= 24GB of VRAM - RTX [345]090 GPU I'm fortunate enough to have both and use an M-series laptop as basically a persistent server (I don't use it much and when traveling typically just use my work laptop). M…

What about RTX 3080? Too little VRAM?

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by roadside_picnic » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:26 PM UTC

rib3ye wrote: post #107

roadside_picnic wrote: post #44

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I have a home server that runs Qwen3.6-35B-A3B through llama.cpp with Open WebUI for the user facing interface. My teen isn't super interested in AI, but whenever they do feel curious they have their own account they can use on our home network. As far as chatting goes local models are more than capable for handling standard chat questions, doing research, helping troubleshoot problems etc. In fact it was an agent po…

How many tokens /sec?

M3-Max laptop: ~55 token/sec

RTX 4090: ~190 token/sec

I don't have the number around but there is a notable latency for pre-fill on the M3, but once it's running the delay is negligible.

The RTX, unsurprisingly, is all around superior performance wise, but: I use that computer for gaming and image gen work so I can't dedicate it as a server, and, especially when it's warmer, the heat generated under heavy loads is noticable.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by scottyah » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:28 PM UTC

hn_acc1 wrote: post #117

scottyah wrote: post #108

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But "some assholes" is an extremely large, growing group of people. Do you have any idea how much more productive small business owners are now? It's an insane boost for people who didn't want to spend their time on things that are extremely critical for business but not the focus of the business.

And people loved "free next day delivery" from Amazon, when it started. It's not quite the same level of service anymore, and membership has gone up in price. Would these businesses pay 2x? 5x? 10x? What is their breaking point? I'm sure xAI/OpenAI/whoever will find it and charge 0.9x that (eventually). Just look at telecoms / internet access and their rubbish "network congestion" claims to keep raising prices.

I still get a lot of free next day, and now sometimes even same day, delivery for amazon. I doubt the membership prices has even matched inflation, but it is certainly well worth it. I can't see any governmental or volunteer organization that would produce even slightly comparable results with the same budget.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by roadside_picnic » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:31 PM UTC

hn_acc1 wrote: post #167

roadside_picnic wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See my comment to parent. I've been using local LLMs for practical, personal tasks for a few months now very successfuly. You can run fantastic local models if you have either: - M-series Apple device with ideally >= 24GB of VRAM - RTX [345]090 GPU I'm fortunate enough to have both and use an M-series laptop as basically a persistent server (I don't use it much and when traveling typically just use my work laptop). M…

What about RTX 3080? Too little VRAM?

In addition to models getting better, the quantization methods have also got much better. If you already have an RTX 3080 it's absolutely worth the time to just mess around and see how it does, experiment with different quants that fit in your VRAM. If you're purchasing I would recommend coughing up the extra cash for the 3090.

If you are experimenting it's worth mentioning that the harness/tooling is very important to getting a solid experience. Herme's agent is great for running helpful agents and OpenWeb UI can get really make the experience feel on par with paid chat interfaced.

A reasonable halfway step is to pay for an open model through the provider or open router. You'll get many of the benefits (especially around pricing) without needing to shell out on hardware before deciding if you like the way these models work.