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Re: The disappearance of Japan's animators

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Post by bsenftner »

pfdietz wrote: post #154
bsenftner wrote: post #142

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Capitalism's core aspect is exploitation, of course this is the result. Capitalism, that "nothing can beat this economic system" winner is a winner because it is immoral, folks. It is based on exploiting those with no alternative. Of course this decimation of competing participants is part of its core operation. Capitalism is a controlled conflict. It is slow violence.

Those being hired in the low labor cost countries don't view it as exploitation. They view it as a gift, opportunities and outcomes they didn't have before. People complain about inequality. This migration of jobs from rich to poorer countries is the market dealing exactly with that. Maybe inequality is ok if you're benefiting from it?

That's a propaganda lie, ask how the Foxconn staff think about this, those that have suicide nets outside of their work skyscrapers. you're being a parrot for a culture of exploiters and punching downers.

Re: The disappearance of Japan's animators

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Post by pfdietz »

bsenftner wrote: post #161
pfdietz wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those being hired in the low labor cost countries don't view it as exploitation. They view it as a gift, opportunities and outcomes they didn't have before. People complain about inequality. This migration of jobs from rich to poorer countries is the market dealing exactly with that. Maybe inequality is ok if you're benefiting from it?

That's a propaganda lie, ask how the Foxconn staff think about this, those that have suicide nets outside of their work skyscrapers. you're being a parrot for a culture of exploiters and punching downers.

You think those people in low income countries would prefer what they were doing before? Then why do they take these jobs? Is someone holding a gun to their heads?

Don't compare these jobs to some unattained ideal, compare them to the alternatives they have.

Re: The disappearance of Japan's animators

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Post by bsenftner »

pfdietz wrote: post #162
bsenftner wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a propaganda lie, ask how the Foxconn staff think about this, those that have suicide nets outside of their work skyscrapers. you're being a parrot for a culture of exploiters and punching downers.

You think those people in low income countries would prefer what they were doing before? Then why do they take these jobs? Is someone holding a gun to their heads? Don't compare these jobs to some unattained ideal, compare them to the alternatives they have.

Yes! Guns or their prior way of life destroyed by industrialized nations, it does not matter. We in our capitalistic drive exploited them, and now these economic slaves have no alternative. Yes! They prefer to make their own destinies, whatever they may be, through their own means with their own cultures. Not ours, not our corporate servitude.

Re: The disappearance of Japan's animators

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Post by anigbrowl »

nekooooo wrote: post #107
anigbrowl wrote: post #77

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Ending sequencesa re kind of artistic showpieces, but when you get down to it it's 1-2 minutes of special animation for PR purposes. Most of Frieren is about whimsical character moments over very generic backgrounds (also true of the manga); people love it for the bittersweet characters and trope-skewing gags. I love the show but it's not the best example of technique or visual innovation. Mappa is imho the current h…

not science saru?

I like Science Saru too, Mappa happen to be my personal favorites. YMMV.

Re: The disappearance of Japan's animators

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Post by DanielHB »

bell-cot wrote: post #143
ItsYan wrote: post #139

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>It is not so much that, but rather that if you hire average people with average skills or people that require training you go out of business because the shop next door won't. If only workers would form some kind of a community, which would take monthly contributions and that would then be used to upskill. It would unite most, if not all people in the same industry.

> - Razor-thin margins so shops can't afford to pay well > - Having a shop in China machine the parts for you can be quite acceptable, especially in higher volumes Yes, in some circumstances, your idea can work. To a degree. But there are plenty of trades and whole industries where domestic employment has fallen by 100X or more, because global capitalism found plenty of cheap workers in distant countries. Where 10X (…

My point is that the expertise drain is going to hit those other countries too, within our work-lives given the demographics of China, Korea and Japan. The same thing is happening over there to even worse degrees, youth unemployment is already massive problem in east asia and when all those trained workspeople and engineers leave the work force in ~30 years.

Sure then that expertise could migrate to other countries, possibly some in Africa. But the demographics slow down is probably already going to afflict those countries before the expertise leaves east asia in the first place.

I truly believe that within 40 years we are going to have a massive infrastructure maintenance problem, where the world will run dry of trained professionals to maintain everything that is already built. And, like I mentioned above, the wealth inequality will reduce because the owners of capital will need to pay premium rates for qualified workforce (think how cobol is today).

Re: The disappearance of Japan's animators

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Post by coldtea »

gruez wrote: post #153
coldtea wrote: post #147

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> All functional Western nations have voting mechanisms that allow for radical government change Voters never get what they vote for.

The RNC tried to stop Trump from winning the candidacy but he won regardless. The fact that MAGA movement is seemingly enthralled to him means at least some people are getting who they voted for, and therefore your statement can't possibly be true.

>The RNC tried to stop Trump from winning the candidacy but he won regardless.

That's not an example of people getting what they voted for though.

It's RNC trying to prevent people prevented get the alternative to what they decidedly didn't what. RNC just wanted the same old politics and career players (that people didn't want), and tried to prevent Trump for that reason (same as Dems did to Bernie).

Not that Trump wining changed anything. After he won, he negated on his promises, and just gave same old neoliberal/neocon RNC shit combined with some theatrics for the gullible.

So people prevented from electing who they wanted, and when they finally elected him anyways, they got the same shit they voted him as the alternative to.

Re: The disappearance of Japan's animators

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Post by Throwthrowbob »

altano wrote: post #83
hiccuphippo wrote: post #14

Not everything is bleak. The ending sequence for Frieren season 2 was entirely hand drawn with colored pencils[0] and the new Ghost in the Shell (coming out next month) is also hand drawn[1]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY4Bx2qtkRM [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnRcKC4Rgsc

Ending sequence? Arco was an entirely hand-drawn movie w/ a 93% Rotten Tomato score released this year. Couldn't even break even. I liked it a lot. Seems bleak to me.

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