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Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by pocksuppet »

jeremyjh wrote: post #155
pocksuppet wrote: post #154

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Sure there is, it's the one for people who are trying to avoid unjust legal recourse.

I said little room, not no room. For most entities using crypto where legal recourse is a more realistic threat model than scammers/hackers it isn't the unjust kind they are so worried about.

If you're selling shoes you have little legal threat. If you're doing anything unusual, you need protection from the government because the government hates anything out of the norm unless you bribe it.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by emodendroket »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #107
emodendroket wrote: post #89

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I don't think there's some magical technical trick that lets you do an end run around politics.

Oh, there is. It was invented by China in the 10th century.

"War is politics by other means" is the one line of Clausewitz everyone can quote.

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Post by econ »

dredmorbius wrote: post #134
econ wrote: post #87

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To state the obvious: If anyone can code his way out of something it is someone who codes. If enough people want something badly enough, when existing governing structures will bow is a question of how many people. You should pretend your code isn't good enough. That way you can own the problem. You will get plenty of help from those making things worse. Empires crumble eventually.

This and your earlier comment presume that code is a way out. Much of the push-back here is that evidence is strongly suggesting that 1) it is not and 2) code tends in general to be a power-amplifier for those already in power. Put another way: your reform-minded hacker is not the only coder, and the opposition (or more accurately, the establishment) likely has far vaster resources. The problem in your initial propos…

> This and your earlier comment presume that code is a way out.

For you yes. If you were a song writer I would suggest you write something like El Pueblo Unido Jamás Será Vencido in stead of a new shaking my ass song.

You do what you know. It's much less of a waste of time if it progresses your skills.

A baker in 1683 created the croissant to symbolize eating the ottoman empire.

Did he make a relevant contribution? I honestly don't know.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by Bender »

inigyou wrote: post #160
Bender wrote: post #144

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That's already a thing. One can install Squid on their router, generate a CA cert, sign their server certs with it and install the CA into all the devices in the home. It's called Squid SSL Bump. [1] A small handful of sites still use public key pinning and will have to be added to exclusions in the configuration. The router must then be configured to only allow Squid HTTPS, Unbound DNS and Chrony NTP out to the inte…

Apps have cert pinning. What now?

Websites have public key pinning. [1] HPKP Most sites don't do this any more but enough do that anyone running a Squid SSL Bump MitM proxy needs to know.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Public_Key_Pinning

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by pluralmonad »

paytonjjones wrote: post #109
pluralmonad wrote: post #97

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It is not necessary to dump our kids into institutions to be raised by their peers. It is necessary that you don't make decisions for other peoples kids.

Whether you legalize social media or not (or smoking, or drinking, or riding in a car without a seatbelt), that's making a decision for other people's kids. Choosing parental liberty is still choosing. I sympathize with the libertarian impulse but for me, protecting my kids from other parents' poor decisions comes first.

Parenting your child is not a political ideology. What a world we live in.

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Post by JuniperMesos »

chadgpt3 wrote: post #126
iamnothere wrote: post #94

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Would-be revolutionaries need secure, reliable comms even more than the average person.

PGP

PGP is not a very effective software suite for encrypting actual messages people want to send to other people, because it's a decades-old tool designed for email workflows that arguably never worked particularly well and is not well-suited to how people want to communicate today. Chat apps like Signal and WhatsApp that include end to end encryption as a matter of course are encrypting far more messages between humans than PGP for emails ever did.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by JuniperMesos »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #147
Gigachad wrote: post #75

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That was the obvious issue with all the blockchain smart contract stuff that was getting pushed previously. Any time it interacts with the physical world the blockchain goes out the window the moment on someone on the ground decides they don’t agree with it. Your cryptographically signed deed means nothing and can’t evict someone off the land.

This comment ignores the cost of deploying government violence. In most of the world the government cannot "just" rubber hose every petty criminal on the basis that "he might have some crypto he's not telling us about". The people would not stand for it.

Even if the people did stand for it, it still costs money and human effort for the government to pay its police employees to do the rubber-hosing - and there are principle-agent problems like government agents being susceptible to bribes (perhaps in cryptocurrency!), being too lazy to enforce the written laws, or having personal scruples about cryptocurrency use.

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Post by loa_in_ »

nsvd2 wrote: post #149
asdff wrote: post #35

What is the final defense? I suppose we create underground relay networks of radio networks within cities that allow for computers to connect directly to eachother, and from there we seed all our pirated content and discuss whatever the hell we'd like. Maybe we'd have to contend with low bandwidth when we connect outside our own city network, using larger wavelength radio to bounce off the ionosphere across the plane…

If at any point your counter-governmental action actually threatens to take some share of power away from the government, they will swiftly and quietly deal with you (they have about 1000 ways to track you, and AI reduces the cost of tracking greatly). If you are irrelevant you will mostly be ignored. By the way, I'm sure that they are aware of all this privacy-first counter-tracking sentiment from certain communitie…

If and only if you give up, you forfeit and oouse.

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Post by econ »

lambertsimnel wrote: post #129
econ wrote: post #115

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Imagine we had a versioned database with all the laws from all countries where one could compare them side by side. We could begin to understand the mood or spirit of each effort. Law makers wouldn't need to pretend they are doing something unique. You might do the same with all infrastructure projects. They can't all be cheap. Half should more expensive than average. It should be fascinating to see where the extra m…

> Imagine we had a versioned database with all the laws from all countries where one could compare them side by side. We could begin to understand the mood or spirit of each effort. It would be good. There have been some attempts at source code style revision management for statutes (such as https://www.lafabriquedelaloi.fr/ ). Are they a useful start? What should be the next step?

Get more people involved to lower the bus factor and get people to pay for it. Coordinate with different countries?

Do what you enjoy or think meaningful.

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Post by subscribed »

bijowo1676 wrote: post #47
asdff wrote: post #35

What is the final defense? I suppose we create underground relay networks of radio networks within cities that allow for computers to connect directly to eachother, and from there we seed all our pirated content and discuss whatever the hell we'd like. Maybe we'd have to contend with low bandwidth when we connect outside our own city network, using larger wavelength radio to bounce off the ionosphere across the plane…

I think everyone (especially young gen) should absolutely master the offensive hacking skills. I will certainly teach my kids everything I know about exploiting and destroying enemy computer systems. This is the equivalent of the 2nd Amendment, but for the Internet space. You should absolutely be able to inspect, disassemble, debug, everything you can in a computer system and have the knowledge to knock it down, if i…

Out of the kids (tweens+) I know because of my kids NONE is interested in anything even remotely adjacent to it. They wouldn't be able to troubleshoot a dns issue.

Or even, say, AI. They know about "chatbots" and "generating images" or "adding effects". Herein ends the story.

You can't teach someone this sort of skills if they like staying ignorant.

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