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Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

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> Because Google has more resources to secure their browser They've kneecapped ad-blockers, when ad networks are perhaps one of the biggest causes of malware installs/page hijacking/other unwanted behaviour. I'm not sure how you can consider Chrome remotely secure in this light.

My org (or rather, the org they pay to run their IT) blocked browser plugins with a security justification. I find this incredibly amusing, and at a different point in my life I'd already be gone. When you outsource IT, there are many, many misaligned incentives.

Have they blocked vscode? I think any organisation that lets people use vscode, might just as well people do whatever they want.

Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

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> The Org admin can put all sorts of restrictions on who can do what based on the client device setup. can you put a restriction to ban Chrome and force Firefox then?

If you wanted to, yes.

Can you provide a link or screenshot of that feature? Because other people are saying no you cannot

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The Sherman Act says that any action by an individual, or conspiracy of a group of individuals, to "restrain trade" or seek a monopoly is illegal. Monopolies aren't a prerequisite for antitrust action, they're the failure state when you should have acted sooner.

Taco Bell is a monopoly because they restrain the trade of tacos because they ask me to take my taco truck elsewhere when I park in their parking lot to sell tacos. Never mind there are other places I can set up my truck, never mind there are tons of other taco shops, Taco Bell is a monopoly as now I need to go find a different corner to sell my tacos, they're restraining the trade of tacos. Everything is a monopoly…

I would actually be pretty concerned if Taco Bell bought Ford and would only allow Ford cars to use their drive-through or parking lot.

Imagine a world where 95% of grocery stores insist on you driving a Ford car.

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Taco Bell is a monopoly because they restrain the trade of tacos because they ask me to take my taco truck elsewhere when I park in their parking lot to sell tacos. Never mind there are other places I can set up my truck, never mind there are tons of other taco shops, Taco Bell is a monopoly as now I need to go find a different corner to sell my tacos, they're restraining the trade of tacos. Everything is a monopoly…

I would actually be pretty concerned if Taco Bell bought Ford and would only allow Ford cars to use their drive-through or parking lot. Imagine a world where 95% of grocery stores insist on you driving a Ford car.

What if it was they bought a car brand and added a transponder to the car so owners of taco bell cars could be auto-identified and had their favorite orders already ordered for them while all other models of cars were still free to use the normal drive through process? Would that be a "monopoly" somehow?

Isn't that more of what's going on here? An optional feature people can use if they choose to use the holistic platform?

This isn't forcing anyone to choose Chrome. The customer can still use any browser they want with Workspace. They get an extra feature when they use Chrome though.

Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

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It's their organization. They are allowed to make decisions about what software their employees use. I'm a die-hard Mozilla fan, but I don't find this unreasonable.

Note that making lock-in features like this effectively proprietary to the Chrome browser is only possible because of the fact that it's the same company making Google Workspace and Google Chrome. I absolutely see many problems with this and you really ought to as well.

Is that worse than if Microsoft Exchange only worked with desktop Outlook?

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It's a pain that when you cannot do what you want to do. But it's not your laptop. It's the company's. But it is my craft, and to be limited to what tools I can use in my craft can decrease the value of my work, and in doing so decrease the company's productivity.

> But it is my craft Then go work for yourself. If you want the security of a regular salary, you need to jump through the hoops of your employer and not expect to be able to do 'your craft' however you see fit.

I don't think using a popular web browser is that unreasonable an accomodation.

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It's a pain that when you cannot do what you want to do. But it's not your laptop. It's the company's. But it is my craft, and to be limited to what tools I can use in my craft can decrease the value of my work, and in doing so decrease the company's productivity.

Let's say you earn a million dollars a year (most of us earn far less). At quite a few companies, a 50% decrease in your productivity (and changing browsers is nowhere near that) would cost the company significantly less than dealing with the fallout of any of the following: * A user intentionally leaking sensitive documents outside the corporate network * A user installing an infected browser extension that gives at…

All of what you listed is preventable at a mild labor cost to the same degree as other browsers.

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My org (or rather, the org they pay to run their IT) blocked browser plugins with a security justification. I find this incredibly amusing, and at a different point in my life I'd already be gone. When you outsource IT, there are many, many misaligned incentives.

Have they blocked vscode? I think any organisation that lets people use vscode, might just as well people do whatever they want.

Nope :)

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> I find this incredibly amusing, and at a different point in my life I'd already be gone. How so? Bad actors buying existing extensions with large user bases then publishing a new version which does bad stuff is a pretty common pattern. It certainy seems like a reasonable concern for a corp IT department.

Not GP, but I think the point was that no extensions => no ad blockers => major malware vehicle unlockable, short of disabling JS

Bingo.

I figure they had a switch they could toggle and they thought no further about the tradeoffs. Because their primary concern is their own liability, not what's best for the org their contract is with.

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While this is true, allow me to give another POV. I run corporate security and internal IT for a 100 person SaaS. I "nudge" our users towards Chrome. Why? Because I can manage Chrome using the config infrastructure provided by Google. Because Google has more resources to secure their browser. Because my observability and DLP stuff works with Chrome and not with Firefox. And I'm probably still missing out on a bunch o…

> Because Google has more resources to secure their browser They've kneecapped ad-blockers, when ad networks are perhaps one of the biggest causes of malware installs/page hijacking/other unwanted behaviour. I'm not sure how you can consider Chrome remotely secure in this light.

Brave has ad-blocking built in and policies can be used to disable any unwanted features. With Chrome going user-hostile, it's a pretty great option.
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