I'm sure I am wrong somewhere. But can someone explain to me how this same reasoning would not apply to every advertizing 'supported' business? You can't opt-out off ads on many websites or streaming services and still hsve access.
I told them forced consent was unlawful. 5 years later it cost Elkjop €1.8M
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Re: I told them forced consent was unlawful. 5 years later it cost Elkjop €1.8M
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
He was an Elkjøp/Elgiganten customer club member. He wanted to keep the club membership and discounts/offers, but stop the marketing emails. Elkjøp’s setup told him the only way to stop the marketing was to cancel the club membership altogether. To me, Elkjop seems perfectly reasonable here. But EU policy disagrees.
According to the article, that is not what Elkjøp told him. You're making the assumption that what the article says must make sense, which is unfounded.
While we cannot be sure what Elkjøp exactly told him, the Norwegian DPA's findings included following:
* Published benefits: https://web.archive.org/web/20220613175535/https:/www.elkjop... (e.g. "Rabatt på en rekke av våre tjenester utført i varehus", i.e. something like "Discount on a number of our services performed in warehouses")
* Conditions to join, i.e. to receive the benefits (DPA's translation):
* You may be contacted electronically (e.g via SMS and e-mail), via phone and mail with personal offers and other relevant information
* Collect and analyse information about you and your customer relationship.
* Create a customer profile, in order to provide more relevant information and a better service.
* You have to be minimum 15 years old and you can choose to leave the customer club at any time.
So to get the discount you would need to consent to being contacted for "personal offers and other relevant information".
Re: I told them forced consent was unlawful. 5 years later it cost Elkjop €1.8M
#163I'm sure I am wrong somewhere. But can someone explain to me how this same reasoning would not apply to every advertizing 'supported' business? You can't opt-out off ads on many websites or streaming services and still hsve access.
It's my understanding that those websites are in violation of the gdpr for doing so.
Re: I told them forced consent was unlawful. 5 years later it cost Elkjop €1.8M
#164I'm glad it all worked out for this individual. I hope more people live their lives like this as the dystopia progresses. Unfortunately, especially in the US, exercising your rights, or even just reading every paper you're expected to put your name to, not only constantly pisses people off for some reason, but also puts you at a significant disadvantage compared to the people that never push back in the interest of n…
My wife recently gave birth. When we arrived at the hospital her contractions were close enough together for her to be admitted. They proceeded to give my wife a 10 page or so consent form to sign. I can't imagine anyone reading that. I also can't imagine them not admitting someone over it.
Re: I told them forced consent was unlawful. 5 years later it cost Elkjop €1.8M
#165I'm glad it all worked out for this individual. I hope more people live their lives like this as the dystopia progresses. Unfortunately, especially in the US, exercising your rights, or even just reading every paper you're expected to put your name to, not only constantly pisses people off for some reason, but also puts you at a significant disadvantage compared to the people that never push back in the interest of n…
Can you cite the especially in the US part? Maybe use Bolivia, Kosovo, and Indonesia as some random global comparisons.
Re: I told them forced consent was unlawful. 5 years later it cost Elkjop €1.8M
#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sure someone smarter than me has a solution. Those papers you're required to sign are generally the result of regulation. Some law got passed that say "you can't share info unless you get signed permission". The person dreaming up the law thought that would be enough to stop getting them to share info. But, even if they cared about privacy, they don't want to increase all their expenses and run their own IT depar…
Many people now have devices with secure storage with them at all times. Maybe it’s time we owned our data and decided who gets it and when. Obviously this doesn’t work in all situations and for all people, but it’s a start.
I do wish this was an option for some data, but emergency care would be an absolute shit show. People can't even remember passwords let alone keep track of keys and devices.
Re: I told them forced consent was unlawful. 5 years later it cost Elkjop €1.8M
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
Rentals are exactly what I was talking about. Supposedly you can always go to someone else, but we all know in practice we can't just go without housing and if everyone decides you're "difficult," you're SOL. Earlier this week a potential landlord offered me a lease saying I had already inspected the property and found no issues with it. I asked for a chance to actually inspect before signing, and even said I would s…
> I asked if they could change that part of the lease. They said they were "unable" due to "demand and interest in the property." Was it a paper lease? Because you could always cross out that section before signing, not to mention write in your own addendum. They would probably still balk, but you'd be within your rights to do so.
Good luck finding a landlord that would agree to your terms.
Re: I told them forced consent was unlawful. 5 years later it cost Elkjop €1.8M
#168I'm glad it all worked out for this individual. I hope more people live their lives like this as the dystopia progresses. Unfortunately, especially in the US, exercising your rights, or even just reading every paper you're expected to put your name to, not only constantly pisses people off for some reason, but also puts you at a significant disadvantage compared to the people that never push back in the interest of n…
Doesn't the right to free association solve this? Don't patronize companies that do this.
Re: I told them forced consent was unlawful. 5 years later it cost Elkjop €1.8M
#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
Rentals are exactly what I was talking about. Supposedly you can always go to someone else, but we all know in practice we can't just go without housing and if everyone decides you're "difficult," you're SOL. Earlier this week a potential landlord offered me a lease saying I had already inspected the property and found no issues with it. I asked for a chance to actually inspect before signing, and even said I would s…
> I asked if they could change that part of the lease. They said they were "unable" due to "demand and interest in the property." Was it a paper lease? Because you could always cross out that section before signing, not to mention write in your own addendum. They would probably still balk, but you'd be within your rights to do so.
And it would be within the landlord’s right to move on to the next renter in their queue.
Re: I told them forced consent was unlawful. 5 years later it cost Elkjop €1.8M
#170> The reply I received a few days later did me the favour of putting the violation on the record. Their position, in their own words, was that "in order to receive marketing / offers, it is a condition to be a member of the customer club." That one sentence is the whole case. They had taken a right I am entitled to exercise for free and turned it into the price of admission. I don’t understand… it would be one thing…
I think the "marketing/offers" means discounts? To be eligible for the discounts or special offers, you have to be a member of the club, and if you are a member of the club you have to be willing to receive the email messages, and somehow under EU law you're entitled to all discounts I guess?
Even if you opt out of marketing emails, they can still collect information about you, which is useful