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Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by tristor »

tedd4u wrote: post #86
tristor wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use the 3-2-1 strategy for backups. I keep one copy off-site by using cloud backups, currently I primarily use Backblaze for that purpose but am considering alternatives for several reasons. I keep a second copy on an external SSD via Time Machine, and I keep one copy on-device. I'd like to use network Time Machine to get rid of the inconvenience of having a bunch of USB external SSDs floating around, especially si…

A 2-drive Synology (e.g. DS225+) in RAID 0 or RAID 1 works fine for this, for 90% less than this beast. Synology documented their optimal settings for Time Machine a couple years ago, too. Hope this is helpful. [1] [1] https://kb.synology.com/en-us/DSM/tutorial/How_to_back_up_fi...

I already have a DIY NAS w/ 14x 14TB drives in it running ZFS on FreeBSD. It does not play nicely with Time Machine over the network though, and has some other bugbears that I've resolved to fix by migrating to Linux and running ZFS on Linux, but have never got around to doing.

A 2 drive anything is not replacing my existing NAS + solving my backup use case, although I appreciate the sentiment of saving money.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by FireBeyond »

SparkyMcUnicorn wrote: post #30
mohaine wrote: post #23

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I love by Dream Machine Pro. Seems to just work and keep everything up to date. I have it running my security cameras as well and it has been pretty much bullet proof. What needs do you have for a router that the Cloud Gateway is missing or is bad at? A PiHole equivalent is about all I can think I'm missing.

I really like the DM Pro and have it deployed to an office of about 50 people. It's a pretty no-fuss solution and fairly simple to manage. For my personal setup, I decided to go with OPNSense and I couldn't be happier. Much more control, at the cost of being a little more hands on. I think the best (rough) comparison here is MacOS vs Linux (or more accurately in this case, FreeBSD).

I'm slowly in the process of migrating from an EdgeRouter and Edgeswitches (including the 16XG for my SAN backplane) to Unifi. Am comfortable at the command line (and actually just had Claude help me build a bunch of configs and an IaC harness for my whole infrastructure) but the SPOG will be nice - that and Ubiquiti has basically abandoned the Edge* line. This was prompted by not wanting to by having persistent problems with the Cat 6 STP termination and the length of the run between my office and the rack in my garage, and my Mac Studio and Edgeswitch would generally only negotiate at 5gbps and even then be error prone, so I got a Unifi switch with 8 ports and 2 SFP+ and ran fiber to the garage for the uplink, and just a short 10' run between the switch and my studio gave me rock solid 10gig (I just run the controller, for now, on a small VM, with my 2 WAPs, but will go all in when I pull the trigger, though, oof, $2,500 for everything I need).

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by detourdog »

softfalcon wrote: post #48
revnode wrote: post #24

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They've been at this for a while. They do have offerings you subscribe for and pay monthly. They have also consistently offered an option for each of those offerings to bring your own or self host. They've earned my trust.

I tend to agree with you. In my opinion, as long as the majority of their profits come from people continuing to buy the self-host devices, it is fairly unlikely they'll ever stop offering those devices. Why change a working business model? Yes, subscription models are enticing for that recurring revenue... number must go up, right? /s If a majority of your sales are not in subscription products though, I think it wo…

They can sell subscriptions to people who buy them and allow self contained as possible. For securities sake requiring off-site storage of a security system is a non-starter.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by ssl-3 »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #6
swrobel wrote: post #4

Did we decide ZFS is good after all this time?

Who said it was bad? I thought we were all pretty much in agreement that it was good, and the only thing holding it back from wider adoption into e.g. the Linux kernel was the poison-pill of Oracle's ownership and licensing.

Some years ago, there were mud-slinging myths being thrown around about ZFS.

Things like "ZFS needs 1GB of RAM per 1TB of storage" and "it requires that RAM to be ECC" were once common to find online.

These sort of thing seemed to lead to widespread beliefs that it was inefficient, expensive, and fragile. None of that is true, of course, but folks might remember and believe these myths and conclude that it is (or was) bad.

(But it's pretty excellent. I've been using it for about a decade, now. It'd be nice if it fit into the Linux kernel better, but I manage anyway.)

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by hombre_fatal »

bhouston wrote: post #47

> "Dual 25 Gigabit SFP28 ports and redundant power supplies for resilience" Can you actually saturate the links with the spinning drives? I've had the hardest time making my TrueNAS ZFS server fast when it was filled with HDD spinning disks. I initially also had 12 of them trying to get maximum speed. I have 128GB RAM and a 10G ethernet connection. I tried all types of optimizations like L2ARC via NVMe, etc, and it w…

Made me think of this:

I got a 10G ethernet network card for my NAS only to realize it has to overlap with my modem's supported bandwidths (IIRC 2.5G, 5G).

Knowing nothing about the space, I had assumed it would use max(node1, node2), but instead it negotiated a 1G link. So it was faster to use the mobo's built-in 2.5G port.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by avtar »

bhouston wrote: post #156
kube-system wrote: post #147

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No I think it's perfectly fine, if I'm accessing files over a network I don't expect them to be blazing fast anyway.

FYI: you should upgrade to 10gbe if your network is slow. It isn't that expensive these days: https://ben3d.ca/blog/home-network-lessons

Not sure if you've looked into this but you can ditch Bell's router with one of these:

https://store.10gtek.com/1-25g-media-converter-sfp-slot-with...

Or a non-copper equivalent in your case. You just need to use the VLAN IDs that Bell expects, see https://www.reddit.com/r/bell/s/uUltTdyqFC

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by _rs »

lostlogin wrote: post #95
eptcyka wrote: post #78

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Can I use it without running some inane management VM?

The UDM runs mine, but prior to that I ran a Docker container with it. It worked well. https://hub.docker.com/r/linuxserver/unifi-controller

You can't run UniFi Protect like this, only the network controller

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by kube-system »

bhouston wrote: post #156
kube-system wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I think it's perfectly fine, if I'm accessing files over a network I don't expect them to be blazing fast anyway.

FYI: you should upgrade to 10gbe if your network is slow. It isn't that expensive these days: https://ben3d.ca/blog/home-network-lessons

That's still only 1/3rd of a single U.2 or a 6th or single U.3 drive... and the IOPS over SMB/NFS is significantly lower than a local drive, even with a big ethernet pipe.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by simonjgreen »

exabrial wrote: post #2

Ubiquiti's biggest feature is no monthly recurring cost. I really hope they continue the streak on products like this. Seems like anything else bought up these days is switched to an MRR model with no vision into the long term viability.

That’s just patently not true for Ubiquiti. You enter the Enterprise space with them and you are paying monthly. Their very expensive Identity Enterprise monthly per user subscription and their per site support charges to be able to get help with their latest rushed release. Paying extra for Apple wallet support. And you don’t even get complete APIs in return, or proper SCIM integrations. Can’t even pull access logs via API. Infuriating company that just do not function at scale.
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