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Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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cosmotic wrote: post #147
adjejmxbdjdn wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think Liquid Glass is inherently bad. I think Apple’s implementation and overuse of those effects is bad.

I think Liquid Glass is inherently bad. Universaly accepted truths about UIs that Liquid Glass violates: * Consistent look across instances * Consistent look as surrounding content changes * Contrast is meaningful * Interactsble elements are not stacked on the z axis * Animation conveys meaning You can see evidence that even Apple understands this by the presence of the options to disable many aspects of Liquid Glass…

Perhaps they can add a ‘macOS Classic’ option, in the style of Windows letting you show 98-themed UI, and the many attempts at bringing back an XP-ish look to modern versions.

I’d pay… 30€ for my Mac to again look like the cat-named versions.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Post by port11 »

hbn wrote: post #108

This has been my favorite WWDC in years. Everything I've seen from the OS 27 releases has been such a breath of fresh air after years of bizarre design/usability decisions. I hope Apple learned a lesson from what happened with Alan Dye and that Ternus doesn't let something like that happen again under his leadership.

It’s easy to make a wow-factor release after years of putting out bad design.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Post by port11 »

baggachipz wrote: post #46
foo12bar wrote: post #41

Sometimes who can't be bothered to make the text on their website not extremely tiny when viewing on mobile shouldn't be writing multi-page rants on the other people's UI.

Thank god for Reader Mode.

I remember Instapaper, that made text look good. Apple’s Read Mode settings are a bit lacking.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Post by trollbridge »

thisislife2 wrote: post #146
trollbridge wrote: post #76

MacOS 27 Beta seems to actually fix a lot of my complaints with Tahoe. I had cynically been believing Apple was simply going to let macOS rot and not fix these major annoyances. (Rather interestingly, menus still have icons if a menu option will simply launch another app, a specific folder that has an icon, or will perform a specific action like a window resize or category sort change that already has an icon you cou…

The poor quality of macOS Tahoe is by design as it is a "transition" release - a transition OS release is often like a beta quality release (of some feature) and often features a "break" (like loss of hardware support or EOL etc.). It is meant to frustrate the user, so that the "next" OS release (which fixes all the bugs of the "beta" features is more "appealing" and hyped (just read all the comments praising the new…

Intel Macs are ancient and there isn’t a compelling reason to really even need to run Tahoe or Golden Gate on them. I still use a 2020 iMac, which is getting a little sluggish for some tasks, runs Sequoia mostly (main use is a GitLab runner for macOS based pipelines like testing iOS and macOS apps), or occasionally booting into Catalina for some ancient software I need to use a few times a year that doesn’t run on anything newer.

Deprecating really old stuff is fine.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Post by hbn »

port11 wrote: post #162
hbn wrote: post #108

This has been my favorite WWDC in years. Everything I've seen from the OS 27 releases has been such a breath of fresh air after years of bizarre design/usability decisions. I hope Apple learned a lesson from what happened with Alan Dye and that Ternus doesn't let something like that happen again under his leadership.

It’s easy to make a wow-factor release after years of putting out bad design.

Well there's very little software being put out these days that's well-designed so Apple is absolutely notable for getting back to its previously held high standards.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Post by hbn »

Schiendelman wrote: post #104
reddalo wrote: post #52

I'm just sad that Intel MacBooks will be stuck with Tahoe, which is essentialy a botched beta for Golden Gate. Bad customer experience for a company like Apple.

I would be far more sad at the battery life of any Intel Mac anymore! Having been on Apple Silicon for some five years now, I can't imagine going back.

My buddy runs an independent video production company and bought a specced out Mac Pro for $12,000 in 2019. Probably still quite capable and battery life doesn't matter on that.

But I also understand it being deprecated and for Apple it's only gonna simplify platform improvements going forward to drop a second supported architecture. And at any point in computing history, 6 years was a decent lifespan for a machine.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Post by port11 »

hbn wrote: post #165
port11 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s easy to make a wow-factor release after years of putting out bad design.

Well there's very little software being put out these days that's well-designed so Apple is absolutely notable for getting back to its previously held high standards.

Touché. I was about to say that Things looks great, but it’s unchanged since I’ve bought it. I’m very fond of Things, it’s full of clever little things and doesn’t try to get in your way.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Post by thisislife2 »

trollbridge wrote: post #164
thisislife2 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The poor quality of macOS Tahoe is by design as it is a "transition" release - a transition OS release is often like a beta quality release (of some feature) and often features a "break" (like loss of hardware support or EOL etc.). It is meant to frustrate the user, so that the "next" OS release (which fixes all the bugs of the "beta" features is more "appealing" and hyped (just read all the comments praising the new…

Intel Macs are ancient and there isn’t a compelling reason to really even need to run Tahoe or Golden Gate on them. I still use a 2020 iMac, which is getting a little sluggish for some tasks, runs Sequoia mostly (main use is a GitLab runner for macOS based pipelines like testing iOS and macOS apps), or occasionally booting into Catalina for some ancient software I need to use a few times a year that doesn’t run on an…

I wasn't making any case for supporting Intel Macs - they can still run run other OSes. Just pointing out a pattern I have observed with commercial operating system releases, which is not accidental in my opinion. (Personally, I stopped buying Macs since they started soldering the RAMs and SSDs and removed the ability to run others OSes - I find such practices suffocating for my computing needs).

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Post by Schiendelman »

hbn wrote: post #166
Schiendelman wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be far more sad at the battery life of any Intel Mac anymore! Having been on Apple Silicon for some five years now, I can't imagine going back.

My buddy runs an independent video production company and bought a specced out Mac Pro for $12,000 in 2019. Probably still quite capable and battery life doesn't matter on that. But I also understand it being deprecated and for Apple it's only gonna simplify platform improvements going forward to drop a second supported architecture. And at any point in computing history, 6 years was a decent lifespan for a machine.

I would also hazard a guess that the same workflow will be faster on a $4000 machine now. Encode/decode acceleration on Apple Silicon has been great.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Post by Schiendelman »

jeroenhd wrote: post #119
Schiendelman wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) Double tap. 2) Reader mode. There are two excellent solutions built into your browser!

I am literally showing the reader mode view in my screenshot. I know how to work around badly designed websites.

I argue that it's not bad design. Having a separate mobile design is the root of many accessibility problems, I would rather websites do this then do things like hijack the school bar…
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