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The EU Open Source Strategy

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Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by port11 »

Tharre wrote: post #88
esperent wrote: post #19

I wish there was somewhere I could earnestly and intelligently have discussions about EU related tech and tech policy, but HN isn't it. As you can see already in this thread, there's 14 comments besides mine and they are 100% negative, and about 95% low effort/reactionary. Of course there's a lot to criticize and also to appreciate about the EU. But this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent, thoughtful discussio…

What points could we even discuss? It's all terribly vague and I imagine nobody here can even tell how that supposed 'strategy' is different from the one 5 years ago. And half of the things mentioned there, like the EUDI Wallet or age verification have been heavily criticised for good reasons. If the headline was "EU invests 100B into open source to further independence from US", I imagine things would be different.…

It’s a PR website meant for… people that read PR websites.

The agencies downstream that will spend 4 million euros comparing LibreOffice with OpenOffice are the ones doing some of the work.

I think it’s okay for the institutions to signal something positive, as long as they actually back it up later.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by port11 »

blitzar wrote: post #103
pi-err wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True but it also reflects that the EU has indeed destroyed most goodwill towards it in the last decade regarding most things digital. Most EU initiatives have damaged everyday UX on the web and in tech. Yes, some malicious compliance has played a role by over-reacting to well-intended regulations. But overall the EU has brought this upon itself. This specific Open Source Strategy memo is typical. It's in fact not a s…

> True but it also reflects that the EU has indeed destroyed most goodwill towards it Or you have been brainwashed by the billions spent annually to make you believe stories about bendy bananas and occult initiation ceremonies as a condition of being a member.

Care to explain?

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by vrganj »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #159
vrganj wrote: post #138

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Interoperability is what enables consumer choice and the best product winning in the first place. Theres no choice if all your friends are on a network that's not interoperable.

Yes there is. I gave the Whatsapp example. People on different carriers and with different phones can talk to each other. How is that not interoperable?

Because it requires everyone use WhatsApp. Where's the free consumer choice?

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by hollerith »

Chu4eeno wrote: post #82
bjackman wrote: post #54

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Sovereignty yes it's obviously better. I am just talking about the pure tech fact that GNU/Linux desktops do not have any meaningful intra-host security boundaries. Is this a worthwhile tradeoff against being tied to US tech? Yeah maybe, like I said there are no good options here, and Linux might be the least bad.

You know what happened at Google after Operation Aurora and they went full bore on security (BeyondCorp and all that)? They started phasing out Windows laptops for employees immediately. I'm honestly having trouble taking you seriously, Windows has always been at the butt of security jokes, I guess you maybe didn't grow up with winnuke etc? But maybe you could elaborate a bit more concretely about what kind of intra-…

>why they would be required on single-user computers in this scenario?

Because the single user does not write all the software running on the system. The proprietary software the user downloads could have its own agenda contrary to the user. The open-source software has security holes so that for example if the OSS is being used to inspect a repo downloaded from the net, the repo might contain files specially crafted to exploit the open-source inspection software. Of if the OSS is a file viewer, a file downloaded from the net might be able to exploit the file viewer.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by hollerith »

bjackman wrote: post #143
Chu4eeno wrote: post #82

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You know what happened at Google after Operation Aurora and they went full bore on security (BeyondCorp and all that)? They started phasing out Windows laptops for employees immediately. I'm honestly having trouble taking you seriously, Windows has always been at the butt of security jokes, I guess you maybe didn't grow up with winnuke etc? But maybe you could elaborate a bit more concretely about what kind of intra-…

I worked at Google on post-Aurora endpoints security. Windows laptops are alive and well at Google. Linux laptops have had one foot in the grave for a while now (it's a bummer). Google historically made gLinux work only with enormous investments in customised distros and D&R. > But maybe you could elaborate a bit more concretely about what kind of intra-host security boundaries are missing - no boundaries between app…

D&R == detection and response

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by em-bee »

iamacyborg wrote: post #119
tcfhgj wrote: post #106

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- digital services act mandates interoperability in chat, but apparently companies can put require obnoxious terms for interoperating parties such as sharing their users IP addresses - which service is going to agree to that if a very large portion of the alternatives target people not wanting to share data with Facebook? - pay "ridiculous price" or accept ads & tracking instead of allowing to disable tracking

NOYB have raised a complaint on the second one for a publisher in the Nordics. https://noyb.eu/en/nordic-media-giant-schibsted-switches-pay...

they already won the first instance in austria:

https://noyb.eu/en/court-decides-pay-or-okay-derstandardat-i...

but the banner is still there so they are still fighting.

link found thanks to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48492358

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by em-bee »

em-bee wrote: post #117
tcfhgj wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- digital services act mandates interoperability in chat, but apparently companies can put require obnoxious terms for interoperating parties such as sharing their users IP addresses - which service is going to agree to that if a very large portion of the alternatives target people not wanting to share data with Facebook? - pay "ridiculous price" or accept ads & tracking instead of allowing to disable tracking

i haven't heard about the first one yet. i totally believe it, but do we have an actual example of facebooks demands? are they documented somewhere? the second one i experience daily and it's driving me nuts. i am sure it is actually illegal, but i have yet to find an explanation on why it should be allowed or a convincing legal argument in why it actually violates the rules. something that i could send to violators.

the explanation is here:

https://noyb.eu/en/frequently-asked-questions-about-pay-or-o...

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