Why most media uses those 30 year old photos of Mr. Elison instead of current ones?
Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"
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#162Fear. He's talking about fear. Making every citizen afraid through mass surveillance.
You know, the core part of the book 1984, where a dystopian authoritarian regime rules by mass surveillance, propaganda, and allegiance to one party.
Truth really is crazier than fiction.
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#163Just yesterday, I was accosted in a public space by an individual that immediately provoked an aggressive confrontation, falsely claiming that I had invaded their personal space. After that initial accusation, they whipped out a pair of smart glasses and begin recording the conversation. It was not immediately obvious that they were recording, even though I am familiar with such devices. Their devive presumably recor…
In which state is that a class A misdemeanor? In some states it's a crime to record phone calls or other private conversations without all-party consent, but I wasn't aware that it was a crime to record a conversation in public anywhere.
I hike in Oregon and I've seen bodycams becoming increasingly common. I don't think that's a bad thing.
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#164Sounds pretty bad, but what’s the context? We should be skeptical of a quote out of context with some dogpile parallels without any other context. When did he say it? Where did he say it?
Did you not read the article?
Ellison's warning came during an hour-long Q&A at an Oracle financial analyst meeting in September 2024.
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#165Bangladesh is one of the best example of it. People usually don't want to follow traffic laws on road. Now that we have AI camera recording and AI fine system, people try their best to follow traffic laws. We are becoming Japan following traffic laws in certain areas. Police usually were scared to fine million dollars cars (because the car owner might be part of something higher power and they could lose their job).…
Yet it is inevitable that people that are "part of something higher power" will abuse this system for various reasons that have nothing to do with traffic. No thanks. Slippery slopes abound.
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#166I think the really dangerous part here is not just “surveillance bad”. It is that AI removes the labour cost that used to limit surveillance. CCTV was already a problem, but someone still had to watch it, search it, interpret it, escalate it. AI changes that. It makes surveillance searchable, scalable and administratively useful. The shift is from “you may be observed” to “your behaviour can be continuously machine-i…
> Algorithmic decisions should have audit trails.
I'm afraid it won’t help as much as we’d like. The algorithm might consider thousands of parameters all of which have scientifically been shown to correlate with some outcome.
A famous example is a denied credit application where one parameter is the battery level of your mobile.
A trail won’t help you decipher why the algorithm decided a particular action.
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except China has a well defined culture and millenia of experience with this and has learned how to have an autocratic society that still somewhat serves its people (until it doesn't). The US has been captured by a foreign power that has no interest in the welfare of the people so the expectation is that an autocratic society would be much worse in the US.
They don’t have millennia of experience with a surveillance state. But so far people are accepting it because their economic situation is generally improving. And crime is low. It may change once they have reached the same level of prosperity as the West and growth slows.
Uh, are you sure about that claim regarding surveillance over human history? Just because the technology has advanced does not entail the methods or concepts are novel. Quite the contrary in my view: the modern versions are natural evolutions of long traditions and customs. Having “rats” and “moles” reporting on behavior is, I mean, it predates written records of I’m not mistaken.
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#168the classic
"Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison. You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don’t anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn - you stick your hand in there and it’ll chop it off, the end. You don’t think "oh, the lawnmower hates me" – lawnmower doesn’t give a shit about you, lawnmower can’t hate you. Don’t anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don’t fall into that trap about Oracle."
at about 34-39 minutes in:
Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"
#169Bangladesh is one of the best example of it. People usually don't want to follow traffic laws on road. Now that we have AI camera recording and AI fine system, people try their best to follow traffic laws. We are becoming Japan following traffic laws in certain areas. Police usually were scared to fine million dollars cars (because the car owner might be part of something higher power and they could lose their job).…
What AI have to do with this? Traffic cameras have been arround since 1834
Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"
#170I think the really dangerous part here is not just “surveillance bad”. It is that AI removes the labour cost that used to limit surveillance. CCTV was already a problem, but someone still had to watch it, search it, interpret it, escalate it. AI changes that. It makes surveillance searchable, scalable and administratively useful. The shift is from “you may be observed” to “your behaviour can be continuously machine-i…
If every violation gets captured hopefully we can have law enforcement and judges that can use their discretion to make sure the "spirit of the law" is what actually results in punishment. Or we fire 80% of them if an AI can outperform them.
By spirit of the law I mean: rolling a stop sign at 1am on a flat country road is not the same as rolling a stop sign in a busy parking lot.