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Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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The other side of this isn't sunshine and roses either. Imagine you're a reasonably talented developer and just can't seem to break into a good job. You've been working delivery or something to make ends meet, and somebody finally offers a tech job. It isn't much, but your kids are hungry. You'll take it. You show up, and it's everything the cynics here could have told you. Spamming people for money is the least of y…

No. Engineering is in part about ethics. Acting unethically is a choice. Engineering is in part about tradeoffs, if you trade off your ethics you are not doing a good thing and we don't feel sorry for you. This fictional person in your story should be better.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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I got that too, and "creepy" is the same word that came to mind. For one, the choice of child, is already creepy even if you refer to a pet as a child, but a software system as a substitute for childbearing, it reminds me of the claw cult, you can call it a company, a system, a project. And calling it a daughter, man I don't even want to get into it.

> For one, the choice of child, is already creepy even if you refer to a pet as a child, but a software system as a substitute for childbearing, it reminds me of the claw cult, you can call it a company, a system, a project. On the other hand, I feel like the obsession with childbearing (constant fear about birth rates, pressure on women to become mothers, etc.) to be a lot more creepy than someone having wholesome p…

> the obsession with childbearing

To be fair, I think all species are obsessed with producing offspring, regardless of culture.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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We have the technology to scrape your profile page too.

Of course we do. but it's not happening. Not yet anyways. Or not at scale. It's like the joke with the bear. I don't need to outrun the bear, I only need to outrun you. But I didn't post this to gloat, just to point out that spammers are lazy. Of course if everyone moves their email into the profile then this will change, but even if everyone reading this thread does it, most others won't, so I trust that this will s…

saying spammers are lazy is about as ridiculous as saying africans are lazy. perhaps you are just not attractive as a target.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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A more than valid question! It's the only way I could figure out how to economically convey "I am a Russian who decided to leave Russia to not be complicit and because my history of protests and support for opposition makes it scary to stay, while I completely understand the level of privilege I'm enjoying and can't call myself a refugee even remotely". Even though I always wanted to live abroad, I didn't decide when…

You sound like a candidate for asylum? Despite the administration policy, asylum law is still on the books. Might be good to get an application in and cross your fingers for a subsequently more friendly admin.

Based on Ilia's post on the "Who's wants to be hired?" thread, he's currently based in Portugal.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Yep! They are rampant on Upwork. You could probably find a cell of them in a day if you wanted, just go looking for jobs with the 'crypto' tag, haha. They have offered me serious sums of money to "simply install RDP and give us access to your network". I imagine people desperate enough take them up on it too.

That... sounds lucrative, and exciting? Use an isolated network, snoop on what device is doing, learn a thing or two about what these threat actors are doing?

I would worry you run a real risk of becoming unbanked once those funds hit your bank account, or worse

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Bots are rampant more than ever. I got my own share of spam asking me for a job.

I used to have in my profile "contact me at $USERNAME@example.com" and I started getting emails from AI companies selling their slop, to address username@example.com

"Internet is not dead yet, it just smells funny"

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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It's just the state of the market. Everyone is hustling, even the hustlers. The big corporations sucked all the money out of the market, didn't pay right taxes and we are just left to fend for ourselves.

This happens when governments stop regulating, enforcing the laws, start colluding and corruption investigations are not even on any agenda.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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So wait, are they trying to sell something to unemployed people?

You will find the unemployed are a prime target for scammers/grifters. Targeting the desperate is profitable.

A former employer once had Christmas layoffs. Their way to help was preemptively giving these scammers a list of everyone's contact info as "relocation assistance".

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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I got that too, and "creepy" is the same word that came to mind. For one, the choice of child, is already creepy even if you refer to a pet as a child, but a software system as a substitute for childbearing, it reminds me of the claw cult, you can call it a company, a system, a project. And calling it a daughter, man I don't even want to get into it.

> For one, the choice of child, is already creepy even if you refer to a pet as a child, but a software system as a substitute for childbearing, it reminds me of the claw cult, you can call it a company, a system, a project. On the other hand, I feel like the obsession with childbearing (constant fear about birth rates, pressure on women to become mothers, etc.) to be a lot more creepy than someone having wholesome p…

http://www.art.net/studios/hackers/hopkins/Don/text/rms-vs-d...

>" Following your example, I might send the list an announcement whenever a new GNU program is written. That happens less often than babies are born, it does the world a lot more good, it reflects more conscious creativity and hard work, and some of the readers might actually find the information useful. Even so, I think most of the readers would consider this outside the scope and purpose of the list. Clearly that goes double for babies." -Richard M Stallman

I have a cat named Emacs -- I wonder how Doctor would analyze that?

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