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A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by butlike »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #116
fny wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your forgetting the nonsense a defense attorney will conjure. How do you know he didn't buy the car from the thief? We had a similar issue with the hit and run of my grandfather: even though video evidence found the car and later saw the suspect leave the car, the detectives worried a defence attorney would argue someone else may have been driving at the time the accident (e.g his wife), and therefore "beyond reasona…

Bank records are readily available, large cash transactions as well.

Need a subpoena/warrant for those records. Don't know the intricacies of that, but I doubt a judge would grant the warrant unless they had the person dead-to-rights and were going after a bigger fish higher up on the chain.

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by warumdarum »

jeffbee wrote: post #144
ProllyInfamous wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My state recently passed a law (similar to Texas') which allows people to defend with lethal force certain property (beyond just their vehicle , which was already allowed). Tennessee-wide, it goes into effect July 1st – and is long-overdue. I live in a working-class neighborhood and we do whatever we can to keep the trouble elsewhere (i.e. not here). Wish guns didn't exist , but until they don't stay safe thugz .

What's your hypothesis on why Texas has a much higher auto theft rate than Tennessee, given that they long had the policy you seem to believe is a remedy?

Eh, texas gets all that borderly goodness the liberal north dishes out so freely, but avoids for itself ?

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by dhosek »

gwbas1c wrote: post #148
nostromo wrote: post #72

I think this is just the new normal. My car was stolen in Seattle and it was found with the person driving it when he was pulled over by police. In the car he had paperwork with his name on it, a weapon, and his work uniform in the trunk with a name badge (he was a security guard - lol) along with a neighborhood witness. Despite a mountain of evidence, the prosecutors declined to press charges because without direct…

> because jurors in Seattle have become accustom to thinking that the only way to overcome reasonable doubt is to have it on video. Who serves on a jury frequently enough to become accustomed to anything? I've only been mailed for jury duty a few times, and every time when I check the night before I'm waived out.

I think a more accurate way to phrase this is that potential jurors in Seattle have grown to believe etc.

How does that happen? Television. They see the police pulling up surveillance videos or using high tech lab technologies on television shows and assume that these fictional techniques are the norm. See, for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSI_effect

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by neutronicus »

smithoc wrote: post #104
nostromo wrote: post #72

I think this is just the new normal. My car was stolen in Seattle and it was found with the person driving it when he was pulled over by police. In the car he had paperwork with his name on it, a weapon, and his work uniform in the trunk with a name badge (he was a security guard - lol) along with a neighborhood witness. Despite a mountain of evidence, the prosecutors declined to press charges because without direct…

This anecdote may be true, but is certainly not representative of current life in America. Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_St... Millions in prison, massively disproportionate to the rest of the world. If jurors in Seattle have become skeptical of the claims that police and prosecutors make without evidence, the blame should fall squarely on decades of innocent people being se…

> This anecdote may be true, but is certainly not representative of current life in America.

I live in Baltimore, where people have very negative attitudes towards police because of everything you describe.

Nevertheless, the perception here is that it's impossible to get police to act on nuisance crime, or really anything short of murder, even with video evidence. There's also a perception that it that this is a recent shift and represents the police retaliating after being prosecuted for the murder of Freddie Gray.

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by foota »

saltyoldman wrote: post #121
anigbrowl wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, only 800? Maybe you can pick a larger imaginary number to make me feel really guilty about not wanting to give up my rights to live free of surveillance.

I mean yeah, but I don't need to. These cameras ARE already the result of 9/11.

Weird justification since 9/11 was a plane hijacking, not something on the streets.

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by neutronicus »

nostromo wrote: post #72

I think this is just the new normal. My car was stolen in Seattle and it was found with the person driving it when he was pulled over by police. In the car he had paperwork with his name on it, a weapon, and his work uniform in the trunk with a name badge (he was a security guard - lol) along with a neighborhood witness. Despite a mountain of evidence, the prosecutors declined to press charges because without direct…

My wife was on a murder jury in Baltimore that convicted on the strength of video evidence. She was surprised at just how much of it there was.

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by cyberax »

This is an example of a political science phenomenon: delegation of authority.

The state itself can't deal with a problem (sky-high nuisance and property crime rates) so people are taking the issue into their own hands. That's also why all this video surveillance startup that shall remain unnamed is still doing quite well: a lot of people WANT cameras to watch every movement in the streets.

What is the fix? Solve the original problem: highly visible property crime by repeat offenders.

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by jeffbee »

warumdarum wrote: post #162
jeffbee wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your hypothesis on why Texas has a much higher auto theft rate than Tennessee, given that they long had the policy you seem to believe is a remedy?

Eh, texas gets all that borderly goodness the liberal north dishes out so freely, but avoids for itself ?

I'm just wondering why this Wild West stuff seems to be neither effective, since Texas has auto theft rates well above national averages, nor necessary, considering that Florida lacks the statute and has auto theft rates well below national averages.

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by rightbyte »

fny wrote: post #107
nostromo wrote: post #72

I think this is just the new normal. My car was stolen in Seattle and it was found with the person driving it when he was pulled over by police. In the car he had paperwork with his name on it, a weapon, and his work uniform in the trunk with a name badge (he was a security guard - lol) along with a neighborhood witness. Despite a mountain of evidence, the prosecutors declined to press charges because without direct…

Your forgetting the nonsense a defense attorney will conjure. How do you know he didn't buy the car from the thief? We had a similar issue with the hit and run of my grandfather: even though video evidence found the car and later saw the suspect leave the car, the detectives worried a defence attorney would argue someone else may have been driving at the time the accident (e.g his wife), and therefore "beyond reasona…

> Your forgetting the nonsense a defense attorney will conjure.

> How do you know he didn't buy the car from the thief?

How is that nonsense? Possessing stolen property doesn't prove you stole it. That would among other issues ruin the 2nd hand market.

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by goatlover »

smithkl42 wrote: post #10

I wonder what they mean by this? > The camera can have different ways of seeing encoded in it, including kinds of gazes that enforce social agreements about what kinds of behavior and people are considered “normal” The phrase "kinds of gazes" strikes me as the sort of thing that's only going to make sense to people trained in a very particular and idiosyncratic flavor of ethical critique. What a normal person sees he…

Reminds me of Winston in 1984 doing his best to look like he doesn't have thought crimes in his head. What are we doing here?
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