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Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks

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Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks

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Post by Lerc »

Legend2440 wrote: post #18

Claims in the lawsuit seem sketchy, and I don't think they will win. It is probably not true that ChatGPT has resulted in an increase in murders and suicides, and certainly it would be very difficult to prove liability on OpenAI for this. It reminds me of the campaign in the 90s against video game manufacturers for "corrupting the youth". But I also don't think they expect to win. They just want to show that they're…

Wouldn't it be easier to prove that Florida causes an increase in murders and suicides. I live on the other side of the world, but it has somewhat of a reputation.

Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

BeetleB wrote: post #157
m463 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even "purpose" might be anthropomorphizing the chatbot

Not at all. A hammer has a purpose. So does a knife. So does a bottle.

> A hammer has a purpose. So does a knife. So does a bottle.

They each have multiple purposes.

Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mrandish wrote: post #115
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #23

Sam Altman has been running a personal PR campaign against himself for three years now. It’s tremendously popular to take pot shots at him, which means launching an investigation or lawsuit against OpenAI is probably politically expedient even if it goes nowhere.

I suspect the plan here is to grandstand on this suit through the election cycle and then settle for a token $20M or $40M fine (payable to the state attorney general's office) and a jointly negotiated consent decree mandating vague rules which mirror the internal policies OAI has already adopted to shield themselves from liability. It's all politics, optics and 'governance theater'.

> suspect the plan here is to grandstand on this suit through the election cycle

Why? There is no incentive to go easy on OpenAI. (Short of Altman stepping down, which he won't.)

> It's all politics, optics

This was my initial reaction. Some excerpts from the complaint [1]. The facts are pretty bad.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48363561

Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks

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Post by projektfu »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #145
beering wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See also, video games, dungeons and dragons, etc.

heavy metal music, television, radio, Harry Potter books, females not covered in clothing head to toe, the lack of a good Christian upbringing, rap music, the banning of corporal punishment, being made aware of the existence of homosexuality, sex education in schools, the legalisation of abortion, open borders, a visit to Europe, proximity to wind farms, divorce, witches.

Obviously, anyone with 3 or more is a ticking time bomb.

Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks

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Post by lesuorac »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #45
xp84 wrote: post #40

This take seems particularly crackpot. If gun manufacturers can't be sued for product liability when used to fire bullets into people, it's rich to say that the manufacturer of a chatbot can be found liable when it mindlessly says "Good point" to people who already have serious mental health problems. If so, would this program also open me up to liability in Florida? const platitudes = ['Good point!', 'You're absolut…

> If gun manufacturers can't be sued for product liability Guns are explicitly exempted from liability rules. They’re the exception that proves the rule.

Is this even relevant?

I can't sue you for product liability if you strangle me but I can still sue you.

Gun manufacturers have been successfully sued for shootings before [1]; who cares if it's about "product liability"?

[1]: https://hls.harvard.edu/today/a-tough-road-for-suing-gun-mak...

Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

lesuorac wrote: post #165
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If gun manufacturers can't be sued for product liability Guns are explicitly exempted from liability rules. They’re the exception that proves the rule.

Is this even relevant? I can't sue you for product liability if you strangle me but I can still sue you. Gun manufacturers have been successfully sued for shootings before [1]; who cares if it's about "product liability"? [1]: https://hls.harvard.edu/today/a-tough-road-for-suing-gun-mak...

> who cares if it's about "product liability"?

The Florida AG's case is a product liability claim FFS.

Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks

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Post by pton_xd »

oceanplexian wrote: post #111
beering wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the end of the article, the main guy says he wants tech companies to report your conversations to the authorities if bad content is detected. That’s their goal, apparently

Don’t be fooled, they already 100% do that if you use any of these products.

> Don’t be fooled, they already 100% do that if you use any of these products.

Just to clarify for anyone not paying attention -- Anthropic has written postmortems detailing their Claude Code monitoring and how they "coordinated with authorities" as they "gathered actionable intelligence" from users creating bad content [0].

[0] https://www.anthropic.com/news/disrupting-AI-espionage

Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks

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Post by TurdF3rguson »

ericfr11 wrote: post #48
calmworm wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a human was found to be specifically putting these how-tos together for someone they might be liable. Edit: why vote this down? It’s part of a discussion. This isn’t Reddit.

Not different than YouTube or Reddit

At least HN downvotes don't follow you into the afterlife like Reddit karma.

Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks

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Post by EmbarrassedHelp »

beering wrote: post #104
Legend2440 wrote: post #18

Claims in the lawsuit seem sketchy, and I don't think they will win. It is probably not true that ChatGPT has resulted in an increase in murders and suicides, and certainly it would be very difficult to prove liability on OpenAI for this. It reminds me of the campaign in the 90s against video game manufacturers for "corrupting the youth". But I also don't think they expect to win. They just want to show that they're…

At the end of the article, the main guy says he wants tech companies to report your conversations to the authorities if bad content is detected. That’s their goal, apparently

The lawsuit is also demanding mandatory age verification to use AI in the first place.
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