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What Is a Dickover?

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Re: What Is a Dickover?

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Post by interf4ce »

clear-octopus wrote: post #140
econ wrote: post #93

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Best ones, when refusing, ask again on the next page. Perhaps they don't know what a functional cookie is? Maybe the marketing vocabulary only has YES?

I really don’t understand why the desired cookie behavior could not be set globally for all websites in the browser. Why do I have the accept / reject them on every website and trust the website will actually do what I ask.

It can be, see Global Privacy Control [1]. As an example, the Complianz consent plugin for WordPress can detect and respect the user's GPC setting, but that feature can be toggled. So even though this exists, many sites will still ignore it.

1. https://globalprivacycontrol.org/

Re: What Is a Dickover?

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Post by king_zee »

tardedmeme wrote: post #159
king_zee wrote: post #8

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Most people don't care about this and they should, I have the google analytics import on my business endeavors, but why would I put it into a blog? Why subject both myself and my poor readers to yet another tentacle to suck our interaction into its googolplex of data. I hope all webdevs start caring more. On that same note, I hope all webdevs stop using substack, it's so trivial nowadays to make and style your own bl…

I suspect two reasons. First, it's not easy to make your own blog - what are you thinking of here - self hosted wordpress, which will surely get hacked? If you use a service like WPEngine, that's no better than using substack. Second, Google only surfaces the big platforms any more.

I'm talking about developers specifically. I understand if non-tech people would rather delegate all of it to a third-party like substack or medium, but as a dev, a blog is about the next hard thing you could make after a to-do app, especially post-AI.

As for your second point you're probably right, it depends on what your intention is with your blog. I wouldn't mind having thousands of people read mine, but I personally think it's eventual as long as you're a good writer and hang out in relevant communities, but I guess it makes sense from an SEO pov.

Re: What Is a Dickover?

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Post by interf4ce »

SoftTalker wrote: post #69
kcplate wrote: post #58

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Oh we care, but when it comes to cookie dickovers, we care more about making the corporate lawyers happy. I’ll admit that I definitely like collecting my paycheck much more than I worry about customer annoyance at acknowledging a cookie policy. Some hills ain't worth dying on.

Or your company could respect its users and only use cookies for essential site functions. Then you don't need a dickover.

Protecting forms with reCAPTCHA uses cookies that fall under "marketing" and gathering site stats using Google Analytics uses cookies that fall under "marketing" and "statistics," making a consent banner or dickover pretty much required.

Are these services necessary for a page to work? Not at all, but many businesses consider them crucial. Unprotected public forms almost immediately start getting spammed by bots, burying real, important communications from potential clients. GA offers insight into what visitors to your site are looking for, which has real business value.

I don't like it any more than you do, but I get why businesses would choose to use these. On their end, at least with reCAPTCHA, they're just trying to protect themselves from the complete shitshow that the modern web has become.

Re: What Is a Dickover?

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Post by king_zee »

freediver wrote: post #39

One of criteria for inclusion into Kagi Small Web [1] is no dickovers. Thanks for naming it properly John. [1] https://kagi.com/smallweb

i just joined this recently, cute community. I started browsing it right after and if you skip the AI slop, it's crazy how many people are good writers

Re: What Is a Dickover?

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Post by cindyllm »

king_zee wrote: post #164
freediver wrote: post #39

One of criteria for inclusion into Kagi Small Web [1] is no dickovers. Thanks for naming it properly John. [1] https://kagi.com/smallweb

i just joined this recently, cute community. I started browsing it right after and if you skip the AI slop, it's crazy how many people are good writers

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Re: What Is a Dickover?

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Post by out_of_protocol »

tosti wrote: post #132
bni wrote: post #119

If you zoom websites to be able to read them, like I do. Then these are especially frustrating because I have to zoom out to find the close button. Its a chase every time, and sometimes I give up. How are these allowed to exist when there are the EU Web Accessibility Directive ?

HN itself is terrible with UI scale >1.0 I keep scrolling horizontally just to read the text.

On Android, opera browser has text-wrap which fits text into screen on any zooom level. Dunno how people live without this feature

Re: What Is a Dickover?

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Post by rererereferred »

michaelt wrote: post #19

I have a theory that about 97% of developers and managers completed the cookie consent (or whatever) on their own product 5 years ago and hence never see it again, and they have no idea how bad the experience for new customers actually is. So the developers and bosses all think they're doing a great job and they've got a carefully curated homepage, even though the regular users get a cloudflare captcha, then a cookie…

We use a third party cookie consent service. It shows different things depending on your location (and allows disabling different types of cookies depending on your local laws). Lawyers mandate it. It's easier than having to figure out the laws everywhere on our own. To me it shows a banner that stays out of the way. But I couldn't tell you for sure it doesn't cover the whole page to other people.

Re: What Is a Dickover?

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Post by chrsw »

avaer wrote: post #43
pooploop64 wrote: post #30

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>What won't help is complaining that the largely free products we get don't work the way we want them to. This makes no sense and seems bad-faith on multiple levels.

On the contrary, I'm assuming good faith on the part of those who implement these "dark" patterns. They're done for a reason, and that reason is not pure evil from their perspective.

Why doesn't Apple do dickovers? Or Hacker News?
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