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Re: You can just say it

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Post by wiseowise »

shimman wrote: post #56
pasquinelli wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if we optimize the billionaire class everyone's better off, like i said. of course we can go orange catholic, but my comment was premised on how we might apply ai.

The billionaire class don't want universal childcare, they don't want medicare for all, they don't want a public jobs program, they don't want a welfare state, and they sure as fuck don't want to be told no. I'm failing to see how caring about billionaires is suppose to help everyone else. The current American society, via neoliberal economics, is already optimized to help the billionaires (hence why they extract all…

They mean put billionaires on a chopping block.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by 8n4vidtmkvmk »

conradludgate wrote: post #142
coldtea wrote: post #110

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Nope, I would prefer getting the prompt. I would also prefer anyone sending me the AI output and not either their ideas or their prompt, to not contant me ever again. If I wanted the output of the AI, I'd ask it myself. You're just a useless intermediary if you send it to me.

This might apply to the AI integrations in Gmail, but someone's own agent setup might have more references saved privately than yours. You can't ask your AI to search through my personal notes.

I was going to say... Sometimes I load up my context with a ton of data. The output is shorter than the input.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by wiseowise »

coldtea wrote: post #108

> “Humans are valuable.” You can just say it. As a human yourself, I advise you to. You do not need to qualify it. This is a robust1 statement that is not conditional on a point-in-time snapshot of the leading frontier model’s score on some recent benchmark. Nope, it very much is conditional to it, as it's conditional to utility. The OP is not going to come an pay someone who can't get a job and has zero market value…

> The OP is not going to come a pay someone who can't get a job and has zero market value due to AI.

If only there was a safety net that would help struggling humans, while trillion (just imagine the numbers) dollar companies have record high earnings. But that’s too much “socialism”, or harshhhtfu communism.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by wiseowise »

jpttsn wrote: post #130

You can just say “I bought this expensive wine regardless how it tastes.” But people don’t want to sound foolish; they want to pretend they can taste the difference. Point to minutiae, study up on distinguishing.

Believe it or not, some people can feel the taste difference.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by kys11 »

wiseowise wrote: post #158

> “Humans are valuable.” You can just say it. You can’t. CEOs will physically recoil from it. Probably leftovers from being a human some day. For them you’re “lower value human capital”, cattle, numbers on a sheet. https://fortune.com/2026/05/26/standard-chartered-ceo-bill-w...

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Re: You can just say it

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Post by wiseowise »

gavinray wrote: post #95
bluefirebrand wrote: post #43

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> than anything else that possesses phenomenal consciousness Can you give an example of anything else you think might possess phenomenal consciousness?

A dog

So going by your logic, you would struggle to choose between saving a human life and a dog life (assuming both are strangers to you)?

Re: You can just say it

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Post by globular-toast »

cautiouscat wrote: post #19

This quote from the authors friend really hit home with me. > “If you’re going to use an LLM to write me an email, I’d much rather you just send me the prompt; at least then I’d have an idea of what you actually meant to say.” I’m not saying there’s no merit in adding a bit of politeness and professionalism to your communication, which I’m sure the prompt itself lacks. However the root of what you’re trying to convey…

I wrote this almost a year ago: https://blog.gpkb.org/posts/just-send-me-the-prompt/

Re: You can just say it

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Post by delusional »

roenxi wrote: post #53
cautiouscat wrote: post #19

This quote from the authors friend really hit home with me. > “If you’re going to use an LLM to write me an email, I’d much rather you just send me the prompt; at least then I’d have an idea of what you actually meant to say.” I’m not saying there’s no merit in adding a bit of politeness and professionalism to your communication, which I’m sure the prompt itself lacks. However the root of what you’re trying to convey…

Yeah, that's one of those sentiments where people say it but they probably don't mean it literally. Much like if your boss asks for honest feedback giving it to them with both barrels is a career limiting move. You make subtle mistakes in how you perceive the world, the interlocutor makes similar mistakes and the damage those mistakes do is limited if you follow some structural rules of how to communicate (aka polite…

> I'd suggest the real ask from the friend is "put more time into communicating with me than a short prompt"

That's where the real truth is. If you're communicating in short prompt messages, did you really even have a thought worth communicating?

I sometimes abort writing an email when I can't think of a polite and constructive way to express my opinion. I have never once regretted aborting such email. I'll often come back to it later, with much better thoughts and an actual constructive point to write down, and then I never struggle with the "style" of the message.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by delusional »

fcarraldo wrote: post #124
nojs wrote: post #109

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“tell my obnoxious boss to fuck off about the tps reports” isn’t a great career move for them though

I would rather my reports tell me to fuck off than to generate something telling me to fuck off in polite but insincere terms full of emojis and em dashes. Honesty is valuable.

I too would much rather that, because then I get to know them as unhelpful whining complainers and fire them. That's not a great outcome for that person though.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by defrost »

thrownthatway wrote: post #155
defrost wrote: post #71

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Reddit benefits from ankle deep snark, unlike HN.

True enough. Having said that, some of my drive-by criticisms have lead to lengthy discussions, with or without my further participation. Probably mostly on older accounts I’ve abandoned. Admittedly, this was not one of them.

I'm a sucker for drive by snark also - it mostly fails .

As a netizen of forums across decades stretching back to pre-WWW Usenet days .. cheap shots in US centric Capitalism V Communism territory rank high as surely the least productive and least informative uses of ASCII :/

Still, points for being honest :)

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