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Re: We should be more tired than the model

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This post reminds me of a conversation I had with my dad in the late 90s when I was mostly using VB6 and he was encouraging me to learn C++. Even back then, the syntax and ceremony of the language repulsed me, and my admittedly arrogant reply was that if I ever needed C++, I'd just hire someone to do that part for me. For what it's worth, I still stand by that strategy 30 years later. Delegation is one of the most po…

You can't talk about delegation without talking about what and who you're delegating. Delegating a demo or an exploration to a junior is fine if you can help them with feedbacks and make them grow and the business is not on the line. Delegating a critical development to a senior engineer you've vetted on previous delivery is fine too. Delegating a critical development to a junior is a recipe for disaster. Now, I'm st…

I'd say we're on the same page with all of that.

One thing I've noticed in my own behaviour is that the more tired I am, later in the day, the less rigorous I am about auditing what Opus suggests for me. This specific detail is a blind spot for many, I suspect.

The problem is always going to be the 2% of the time it does something horribly wrong on an architectural scale. You don't know when the poison pill might come.

Conclusion: if you wouldn't drive after drinking, smoking weed or staying awake too long, perhaps you shouldn't commit code generated by an LLM that is really amazing 98% of the time.

Re: We should be more tired than the model

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You can't talk about delegation without talking about what and who you're delegating. Delegating a demo or an exploration to a junior is fine if you can help them with feedbacks and make them grow and the business is not on the line. Delegating a critical development to a senior engineer you've vetted on previous delivery is fine too. Delegating a critical development to a junior is a recipe for disaster. Now, I'm st…

I'd say we're on the same page with all of that. One thing I've noticed in my own behaviour is that the more tired I am, later in the day, the less rigorous I am about auditing what Opus suggests for me. This specific detail is a blind spot for many, I suspect. The problem is always going to be the 2% of the time it does something horribly wrong on an architectural scale. You don't know when the poison pill might com…

Yup, the unpredicable nature of their unreliability is what makes it very tiresome to work with LLMs sometimes. With people, you kinda learn their strength and weakness. With LLMs I haven't yet.

Re: We should be more tired than the model

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I don't know. I find that I'm moving up a level and improving my product-management skills while delegating most of the code to the agents. I'm still very much hands-on with the design and requirements, and I'm asking questions like, "What's our security story for XYZ?", "Are we accounting for colour-blindness?", etc. Not being down in the code allows me to prairie-dog a bit more and see the landscape better.

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Re: We should be more tired than the model

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> Junior engineer learn, AI does not. This is technically true, but lets not act like we haven't seen immense improvement of both models are harnesses for these models in the past years. They may not be learning , but they are getting better

Pretend? I don't have to pretend, I haven't seen any real improvement. I wouldn't let the models of today write code one bit more than the models of several years ago, because they still suck at it.

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Re: We should be more tired than the model

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> Junior engineer learn, AI does not. This is technically true, but lets not act like we haven't seen immense improvement of both models are harnesses for these models in the past years. They may not be learning , but they are getting better

Pretend? I don't have to pretend, I haven't seen any real improvement. I wouldn't let the models of today write code one bit more than the models of several years ago, because they still suck at it.

Models several years ago would struggle to provide code that would compile, and need to be fed whatever errors were thrown to be able to resolve them.

Today's models often output working code. I've had OpenClaw instances one shot simple static web-page HTML, Apache installation, and deployment. It may not meet modern standards or be as secure as you'd like, but fundamentally this is an improvement from previous models.

Re: We should be more tired than the model

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Pretend? I don't have to pretend, I haven't seen any real improvement. I wouldn't let the models of today write code one bit more than the models of several years ago, because they still suck at it.

Models several years ago would struggle to provide code that would compile, and need to be fed whatever errors were thrown to be able to resolve them. Today's models often output working code. I've had OpenClaw instances one shot simple static web-page HTML, Apache installation, and deployment. It may not meet modern standards or be as secure as you'd like, but fundamentally this is an improvement from previous model…

Agreed, the "one-shot a static site" demo is the new "hello world" for agents. It's a real step up.

Re: We should be more tired than the model

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Models several years ago would struggle to provide code that would compile, and need to be fed whatever errors were thrown to be able to resolve them. Today's models often output working code. I've had OpenClaw instances one shot simple static web-page HTML, Apache installation, and deployment. It may not meet modern standards or be as secure as you'd like, but fundamentally this is an improvement from previous model…

Agreed, the "one-shot a static site" demo is the new "hello world" for agents. It's a real step up.

yep, they need something a bit more challenging than printing two words on the screen

Re: We should be more tired than the model

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Agreed, the "one-shot a static site" demo is the new "hello world" for agents. It's a real step up.

yep, they need something a bit more challenging than printing two words on the screen

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