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Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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I can understand why this change happened. Even if American equipment is superior, there is a lot of value to not depending on a supposed 'ally' which * Arbitrarily slapped high tariffs on all goods from Canada while exempting Russia and Belarus. * Threatened to take over the country by force. * Officially suspended the Permanent Joint Board on Defense between US and Canada because of criticism of US foreign policy b…

It's kind of insane they trusted us to begin with. Why?

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

#162
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Saab makes excellent AWACS systems, this strikes me as a good choice. It'll be interesting to see if Canada also invests in the Gripen long-term, as a replacement for the aging CF-18 fleet.

I think the F-16 would have been a good bird for Canada's needs. The F-18 had the advantage of two engines, which strikes me as a good thing in the Arctic. If these two are off the table, things like the Saab are reasonable. There's only 2-3 countries one needs stealth fighters for, and 30-40-ish won't matter in such cases.

We've long pushed for 2 engines - which has made sense in the past. Even a successful ejection over the vast arctic would basically be a death sentence. Though some of our allies don't seem to have the same reservations, and it seems modern engines are a lot more reliable - certainly the F-35 only has one, so it looks like we're ok with it now.

The modern F-18's and the new F-15's would have also made sense, but agreed that modern F-16s would seem to be a nearly perfect fit if a single engine is now deemed acceptable. Given we like to keep equipment for as long as physically possible (and then some), the F-35 might have more runway (rimshot) in that regard though.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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"We call this confirmation bias". I'm genuinely curious to know what you think the author's pre-existing beliefs are. You seem to have a few of your own: "Canada only has to patrol its northern border"

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This comment is like a poem encapsulating American hubris.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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As an American with mostly headline-level knowledge of Canadian politics, this Mark Carney seems unusually competent and effective, as far as heads-of-state go.

Swimming downstream is easier than swimming upstream. Admitting basic reality we all talk about—eg that canada is a vassal state of the us—is only difficult until the cash river stops.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

#165
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So then by your arguments above, you're good with California leaving since they'd be a G6 nation on their own? Because as you would might say: I'm sure this Canadian government would love to see an "independent" California.

Texas has entertained the idea of seceding for 150 years. And they would be a G7 country if they did. But they would have to fight a war to do it. USA already went through this once. The only thing really stopping Alberta from leaving is whether or not BC, Ontario, and Quebec are willing to fight a war to stop it. And that gets a lot more complicated if the US also wants Alberta to go independent....

The instant Alberta secedes from Canada, the Indigenous would secede all unceded Treaty land from the independent Alberta. Which includes all of the tar sands, the source of Alberta's wealth.

Canada might not be willing to fight, but the Indigenous probably are.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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This is false. Alberta is NOT the economic engine of Canada, that’s a huge misconception of a group of Canadians (mostly Albertans) [0] [0] https://youtu.be/5lSJpqA8RU4?si=fxwKpUFFKO7gK63E

Did you watch this video? About half way through he confirms that Alberta has the highest GDP/capita in Canada and is the largest (per capita) tax contributor. Ontario is obviously larger in absolute terms, but it has at least 4x the population.

> About half way through he confirms that Alberta has the highest GDP/capita in Canada and is the largest (per capita) tax contributor.

Nunavut and NWT have higher per capita numbers, but that's territory versus province:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_provinces_and...

Yukon and SK are in the >90k range, both ~5k below AB.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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I think the F-16 would have been a good bird for Canada's needs. The F-18 had the advantage of two engines, which strikes me as a good thing in the Arctic. If these two are off the table, things like the Saab are reasonable. There's only 2-3 countries one needs stealth fighters for, and 30-40-ish won't matter in such cases.

We've long pushed for 2 engines - which has made sense in the past. Even a successful ejection over the vast arctic would basically be a death sentence. Though some of our allies don't seem to have the same reservations, and it seems modern engines are a lot more reliable - certainly the F-35 only has one, so it looks like we're ok with it now. The modern F-18's and the new F-15's would have also made sense, but agre…

If the F-15 line is still in production, it's a damn fine bird and has broad mission capability. And the remaining B-52's are probably older that most of the HN community. At least those not retired or cashed out.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

#168
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Without the second election of Trump? It's likely. Canada's aircraft industry got majorly burned by the US in 2017 during his first administration and Biden didn't significantly reverse the impact in any way.

> Canada's aircraft industry got majorly burned by the US in 2017 Canada's aircraft industry has been on life support since long before Trump took office, having been forced to partner up with China. The C-Series was divested to Airbus, the Dash 8 isn't produced anymore, and all Bombardier proper produces are biz-jets.

Lol, why do you think the C series was divested to Airbus?

https://www.reuters.com/article/business/trump-administratio...

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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>The only thing really stopping Alberta from leaving is whether or not BC, Ontario, and Quebec are willing to fight a war to stop it. Unlike the individual US states, Alberta never joined Canada. It was not an entity that existed prior to Canada's confederation. Alberta was basically pencil-whipped into existence by carving out a chunk of an already existing territory (the Northwest Territory). Despite American and R…

> there is no legal mechanism by which Canadian provinces can unilaterally secede Legal? Who's laws? Albertans can just declare that they don't respect Ottawa's authority, right? Guns and bullets are the only "legal" currency. It's not paperwork.

>Albertans can just declare that they don't respect Ottawa's authority, right?

Sure, but just like nobody gives a shit about what Sovereign Citizens do or do not respect, such a declaration would only carry weight if there are enough people that want to mount an armed rebellion. And despite what American influence operations would have you believe, there simply aren't. Most Albertans want to remain in Canada.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

#170
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Canada would only have to patrol its southern Alberta border /s No coincidence that Albertans are sparking up the seceding issue again. When 10% of the population produces nearly 20% of the country's GDP it's a breeding ground for contempt. And it also seems like Albertans are the butt of a lot of jokes from the other Canadians anyway. I'm sure this US government would love to see an "independent" Alberta.

Of course the US gov would love to see an "independent" Alberta... They'd see that as easy oil reserves to put their hands on and a weaker Canada. They're working with traitors in separatist organizations as well as PP and trying to import MAGA into Canada.. Albertan's, due solely to their location, stand on oil riches... They don't have to do much to be the country's highest earners, its literally handed to them on…

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