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DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

gck1 wrote: post #120
unshavedyak wrote: post #49

It's pretty funny, i'm a $200/m Claude subscriber and i've had little need to use anything else. However the more Claude has been restricting my workflow (notably around the recent IDE/-p usage change) the more i've been wanting to go elsehwere. I'm concerned since i really want SOTA reasoning, but DeepSeek still has me interested.

I gave a fairly complex reverse engineering task to DS-4 xhigh and GPT-5.5 xhigh today. After about 6 hours, both ultimately failed to fully RE, however, there were some drastic differences: DS stopped every 30 minutes or so, saying it did full RE and it should all work now, while in fact, it didn't complete even 1% of it. It also looked for shortcuts again and again, despite me prompting heavily that the specific sh…

The GPT models are heavily biased to a more incremental, empirical, evidence based approach. Sometimes to a fault. I prefer them for this reason, but it requires coaxing or strategic use of /goal to break it out if its highly staged, one piece at a time, approach.. if you don't like it.

I suspect for people doing more... website ... type development, the more "yeet this into existence" style of Opus feels preferable.

With Claude I was constantly jamming my finger on the escape key "wait, you did what?! based on what proof?!"

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Post by crystal_revenge »

stiray wrote: post #151

If only author would understand, that some people want single, self sustained binary that doesnt take half of computer memory and would rather write it in rust or golang.

If this is what you want, especially in the age of coding agents, why not just build it yourself?

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Post by wg0 »

snqb wrote: post #139
wg0 wrote: post #121

Performance is horrible when you type but caching is magical. Extremely pro consumer tool. I have been hammering it hard with 97% cache utilization and barely $0.03 dollar spent for me constantly exploring a codebase.

Deepseek API caches very efficiently itself. I use it heavily via pi agent, and a lot of times I get 99%+ caching for longer sessions. Have you tried using Deepseek API via other agents? This project tbh looks like a S-tier slop

I have used it with OpenCode and was good enough.

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Post by krm01 »

port11 wrote: post #155
agrippanux wrote: post #123

This website seems to have been generated by Codex - I asked Codex to create an HTML overview of a feature for my team and it made an overly produced monstrosity - complete with the same large stat boxes that were for the most part devoid of meaningful information - using the same font, colors, layout, hero section, etc. It was also terrible on mobile just like this is. In the end I had Claude produce a one-page html…

A lot of LLM-driven design now looks like this. I don’t understand how people don’t find ugly the pairings with an heavily italicised serif. You also can’t read much of the page on mobile, because the code example keeps shifting the content around. Now, that is overly critical, I’m sure their heart is in the right place. But a simpler website would do :)

It’s sad to see companies not spending a bit more on design. Sure, ai will help you get something decent out fast. But there’s a threshold where design becomes an indicator of trust. Especially for b2b software that tailor to large corps. Good design, character, adds directly to the bottom line.

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Post by wg0 »

stiray wrote: post #151

If only author would understand, that some people want single, self sustained binary that doesnt take half of computer memory and would rather write it in rust or golang.

Can someone explain that was use of AI (and all the claims) that a coding agent cannot be written in plain go for example? Given there are tons of good terminal libraries for golang?

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Post by busymom0 »

mmaunder wrote: post #37

Unusable thanks to the top animation pushing the rest of the site down repeatedly as you’re trying to read.

The layout of the entire page is horrendous on mobile too. Looks like a huge wide site where content is only in a tiny column on left side.

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Post by mark_l_watson »

I tried it and the text input area was black with a dark font. I checked the documentation, and asked DeepSeek v4, Claude, and Gemini for help with the fonts/style and nothing works except to run in a terminal with a dark theme. Crazy. None of the devs on the project use a light theme?

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Post by malikNF »

upcoming-sesame wrote: post #148
metalspot wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am getting 98.6% cache hit ratio on deepseek-v4-flash with opencode

out of curiosity, how do you measure cache hit rate in opencode ?

opencode stats

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Post by xlii »

wg0 wrote: post #165
stiray wrote: post #151

If only author would understand, that some people want single, self sustained binary that doesnt take half of computer memory and would rather write it in rust or golang.

Can someone explain that was use of AI (and all the claims) that a coding agent cannot be written in plain go for example? Given there are tons of good terminal libraries for golang?

It can be written in Golang but interaction libraries are very limited and with sharp edges.

There's Google's genkit, charmbracelet's fantasy and LangChainGo. Each has ugly hacks and omissions. Then handling slice streaming of data into Elm architecture (bubbletea) is also complex.

So in theory nothing stand against but in practice one has to get quite low to the ground to get anything done.

Also: Golang agent exist! It's called crush and is developed by charmbracelet people. It's so-so though I prefer Pi myself.

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