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Re: Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

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Post by u_fucking_dork »

onel wrote: post #153
u_fucking_dork wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You shouldn’t feel slapped in the face if someone chooses a programming language you don’t like. Full stop.

That's not what he's saying. It's not about the programming language. It's about people contributing, putting effort into the project and being passionate about it and then someone else throwing all off that away.

Throwing all away by changing to a different programming language.

None of it is thrown away, it’s just now in a new language.

On top of that Bun is realistically a one man show with the vast majority of the code written by one dude. So the comment I replied to started from outrage and worked backwards to justify it without thinking too hard tbh.

The implication that you shouldn’t be able to change the programming language of your own project is also weird. Personally I welcome things like Typescript being rewritten in Go

Re: Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

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Post by yoav »

ibejoeb wrote: post #59
skeeter2020 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very uncharitable interpretation of the twitter post: "It’s a combination of anthropic’s stance of not doing human reviews or any kind of rational roll out and stabilization." They mention nothing about agents being used, rather focus on humans in the review cycle and some sort of gated roll-out process. Why we would bin these practices in the name of a faster release cycle is an important question & debate…

I kind of agree, but it goes both ways. Has Jarred said that there was no review? I know that he stated that rust bun passes tests. Now, I don't know the amount or quantity of coverage, but as a thought experiment, let's assume they are good. What does that count for?

Yes he said multiple times including to me yesterday that humans won’t code review as a matter of practice going forward.

Re: Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

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Post by yoav »

Zakis1 wrote: post #7
qsera wrote: post #3

I think it makes sense to stay away from large code bases built using LLMs until it is proven that it is possible to also maintain such code bases using LLMs or using reasonable human effort.

It's alarming how people instantly jump to conclusions that Bun is now "AI slop". Bun has been almost entirely worked on by LLM's for ~6 months now, long before the Rust re-write (source: https://x.com/jarredsumner/status/2054525268296118363 ). It already has been proven that LLM's can maintain such codebases.

That explains the massive rise in segfaults since they got acquired.

It’s approaching being as buggy as claude code which I’ve had to stop using even though I have 6 months free of max because it just crashes and freezes all the time.

Re: Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

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Post by yoav »

mentalgear wrote: post #14

While I'm certainly sceptical of pure LLM (re)-written software, I would have to assume in the case of the cyberattack vector that Anthropic used their new Mythos model to adequately test against. Maybe someone has more info of them mentioning that.

They want us to believe Mythos was so bad it kept shipping segfaults for the last 6 months.

And also that it’s capable and trustworthy enough to rewrite the whole runtime in another language flawlessly such that no human needs to code review?

Idiocracy.

Re: Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

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Post by fragmede »

u_fucking_dork wrote: post #161
onel wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what he's saying. It's not about the programming language. It's about people contributing, putting effort into the project and being passionate about it and then someone else throwing all off that away.

Throwing all away by changing to a different programming language. None of it is thrown away, it’s just now in a new language. On top of that Bun is realistically a one man show with the vast majority of the code written by one dude. So the comment I replied to started from outrage and worked backwards to justify it without thinking too hard tbh. The implication that you shouldn’t be able to change the programming la…

When other people start to relying on you, you do develop some level of responsibility to them. That's not weird at all. If your project is your cat's website code, no one cares if it breaks. If you're project is something my project relies on that I use to put food on the table, yeah it's your project, but it's not remotely weird for me to have some sort of an opinion if I think you're yolo pulling rugs, and using hope as the strategy that you don't pull one that I'm standing on.

Re: Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

#167

Post by ibejoeb »

yoav wrote: post #162
ibejoeb wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I kind of agree, but it goes both ways. Has Jarred said that there was no review? I know that he stated that rust bun passes tests. Now, I don't know the amount or quantity of coverage, but as a thought experiment, let's assume they are good. What does that count for?

Yes he said multiple times including to me yesterday that humans won’t code review as a matter of practice going forward.

Wow, that's wild. Is that just bun, or is that the general practice at anthropic now?

Re: Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

#168

Post by kimos »

asdfsa32 wrote: post #24
3as-123 wrote: post #10

Great, the author speaks out what everyone thinks but cannot say, either due to being invested in the hype or due to effectively having a gag order from their employers: https://xcancel.com/YoavCodes/status/2058170216408813583#m The bun rewrite was Anthropic's Vietnam and the open source community needs to react and and build resistance.

In many a brand name company now tokenmaxxing is the name of the game; CryptoBase, FacePaper, AntiqueOptics, tinyflacid, they all use AI usage metrics as part of their perf review these days.

Are these… real names? I can no longer tell if this is satire.

Re: Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

#169

Post by u_fucking_dork »

fragmede wrote: post #166
u_fucking_dork wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Throwing all away by changing to a different programming language. None of it is thrown away, it’s just now in a new language. On top of that Bun is realistically a one man show with the vast majority of the code written by one dude. So the comment I replied to started from outrage and worked backwards to justify it without thinking too hard tbh. The implication that you shouldn’t be able to change the programming la…

When other people start to relying on you, you do develop some level of responsibility to them. That's not weird at all. If your project is your cat's website code, no one cares if it breaks. If you're project is something my project relies on that I use to put food on the table, yeah it's your project, but it's not remotely weird for me to have some sort of an opinion if I think you're yolo pulling rugs, and using h…

In your fantasy scenario moving to Rust over Zig 0.16 would good

Re: Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

#170

Post by bastawhiz »

antonvs wrote: post #102
bastawhiz wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One week to four weeks doesn't make it better.

Did you miss the part where they said "it hasn't shipped"?

Do you think it won't? How many weeks do you think it'll take to review all that code, or do you admit a 1M line PR is unreviewable?
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