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Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by yummypaint »

Eisenstein wrote: post #126
yummypaint wrote: post #124

Where is the lawyer involvement? Why has no TRO been filed to prevent Bambu from selling in the US? This is a problem with a legal solution, yet we collectively just wring our hands and wish for a technological solution.

Lawsuits need standing. Someone harmed has to sue.

That's what I'm asking... Why not? I'm alluding to what seems to be a culturally self-imposed refusal to seek legal remedies among makers and hackers. We have Jeff Geerling (who I generally like and agree with) disappointingly referring to the GPL as a "social contract," as though it can have no legal force behind it.

The biggest companies in the world use licenses to weild power over people, but heaven forbid people use the same body of law to their benefit.

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by throw10920 »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #151
throw10920 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that link isn't relevant to anything. You're just throwing out random garbage because your argument is invalid and you know it. You're a propagandist. Fortunately, the vast majority of people that I've talked to don't fall for this line of fallacy - I'm just making sure your lies don't fool those that happen to overlook them. > means one has chosen to be part of the despotism problem Yeah, this is unhinged. You…

One has a right to believe whatever they like, but most people already know the "Detect, Deny, Degrade, Disrupt, Destroy, Deceive" rhetoric you are spouting. I for one praise our glorious leader. Have a wonderful day. =3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHnAKycy2ro

> One has a right to believe whatever they like, but most people already know the "Detect, Deny, Degrade, Disrupt, Destroy, Deceive" rhetoric you are spouting.

With every clinically insane statement you make, you're just continuing to undermine the positions you're trying to fallaciously support. You know that, right? The average HN reader is pretty smart. They can see that statements like

> ad hominem rhetoric means one has chosen to be part of the despotism problem

...are not made by individuals who are both sane and honest (i.e. not sane propagandists).

I know I can't convince you of anything - these rebuttals are just to expose how hollow this pro-CCP propaganda is to other readers on HN. And every unhinged message just brings your position further into the disinfecting sunlight of reason.

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

throw10920 wrote: post #162
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One has a right to believe whatever they like, but most people already know the "Detect, Deny, Degrade, Disrupt, Destroy, Deceive" rhetoric you are spouting. I for one praise our glorious leader. Have a wonderful day. =3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHnAKycy2ro

> One has a right to believe whatever they like, but most people already know the "Detect, Deny, Degrade, Disrupt, Destroy, Deceive" rhetoric you are spouting. With every clinically insane statement you make, you're just continuing to undermine the positions you're trying to fallaciously support. You know that, right? The average HN reader is pretty smart. They can see that statements like > ad hominem rhetoric means…

An LLM spamming users is against YC site usage policy. Note it is very common for congress members to end up at large firms. Have a great day, and maybe a walk outside will cheer you up more than gas-lighting people. =3

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-congressional-board-...

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by [deleted] »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #163
throw10920 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One has a right to believe whatever they like, but most people already know the "Detect, Deny, Degrade, Disrupt, Destroy, Deceive" rhetoric you are spouting. With every clinically insane statement you make, you're just continuing to undermine the positions you're trying to fallaciously support. You know that, right? The average HN reader is pretty smart. They can see that statements like > ad hominem rhetoric means…

An LLM spamming users is against YC site usage policy. Note it is very common for congress members to end up at large firms. Have a great day, and maybe a walk outside will cheer you up more than gas-lighting people. =3 https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-congressional-board-...

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Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by throw10920 »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #163
throw10920 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One has a right to believe whatever they like, but most people already know the "Detect, Deny, Degrade, Disrupt, Destroy, Deceive" rhetoric you are spouting. With every clinically insane statement you make, you're just continuing to undermine the positions you're trying to fallaciously support. You know that, right? The average HN reader is pretty smart. They can see that statements like > ad hominem rhetoric means…

An LLM spamming users is against YC site usage policy. Note it is very common for congress members to end up at large firms. Have a great day, and maybe a walk outside will cheer you up more than gas-lighting people. =3 https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-congressional-board-...

Yes, which is why you're likely the one breaking HN's policy. I'm actually making coherent points. Your messages are as incoherent and nonsensical as primitive text-generation models - very characteristic of LLMs, that can't actually use logic correctly, and just...make up stuff.

Yet another self-discrediting post for all HN to see. By all means, continue.

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

throw10920 wrote: post #165
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An LLM spamming users is against YC site usage policy. Note it is very common for congress members to end up at large firms. Have a great day, and maybe a walk outside will cheer you up more than gas-lighting people. =3 https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-congressional-board-...

Yes, which is why you're likely the one breaking HN's policy. I'm actually making coherent points. Your messages are as incoherent and nonsensical as primitive text-generation models - very characteristic of LLMs, that can't actually use logic correctly, and just... make up stuff. Yet another self-discrediting post for all HN to see. By all means, continue.

One is free to send a FOIA request for oversight activities by ODNI regarding embedded agent activities within corporations, and a detailed explanation of why these folks activity is usually protected by law.

Inferring these folks don’t matter is delusional propaganda. Yawn... Good bye. =3

https://www.dni.gov/index.php/foia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Yawning_koala_bear_(35893...

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by throw10920 »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #166
throw10920 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, which is why you're likely the one breaking HN's policy. I'm actually making coherent points. Your messages are as incoherent and nonsensical as primitive text-generation models - very characteristic of LLMs, that can't actually use logic correctly, and just... make up stuff. Yet another self-discrediting post for all HN to see. By all means, continue.

One is free to send a FOIA request for oversight activities by ODNI regarding embedded agent activities within corporations, and a detailed explanation of why these folks activity is usually protected by law. Inferring these folks don’t matter is delusional propaganda. Yawn... Good bye. =3 https://www.dni.gov/index.php/foia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Yawning_koala_bear_(35893...

Wow, the LLM actually went in a loop! I can copy-paste my response almost unmodified from the top of the thread:

Installation of embedded agents into a handful of companies (at most) out of the millions in the country is categorically different than overt and widespread installation of party members into high-ranking roles in hundreds/thousands of companies.

Claiming that these are remotely comparable is either pure ignorance or blatant propaganda. Any sane person can see that these aren't in the same universe of things.

Let me know when you're out of your loop (this is the third time your LLM has responded with "Have a great day" or "good bye" without stopping) and actually read the comments you're replying to and turn on your brain to reply.

Or don't - if anyone in the future comes to read this thread, your comments will completely destroy any shred of inclination they might have to believing your points.

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by doginasuit »

rileymat2 wrote: post #153
doginasuit wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was my point too. There are valid reasons to go with closed source, open source may not be a viable option for a variety of concerns, including economic realities. The person I was replying to raised the issue of corporations that take and do not give back (which definitely exist) and I was responding to it.

Yes, we don't have a great business model for this yet. We see the problems caused by things like Elastic Search either locking away important features or getting killed by well funded incumbents like Amazon. My response was asking more, when you said "use cases" if there were non-economic ones you had in mind. Years ago I got it in my head that we needed an open source copy left license that allowed for automatic li…

My experience has made me consider closed source for three general reasons: backends where the security implications of open source would be a problem, software that has a high potential to be misused, and economic realities.

I've always tried to find another solution besides closed source because it takes away a big part of what makes me want to work on a project. But I recognize that it's not always going to be the best choice.

That sounds like a worthwhile reason for something like copyleft, since funding can be a problem. I have seen a lot of companies basically implement it by providing both kinds of licensing.

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by pocksuppet »

rileymat2 wrote: post #153
doginasuit wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was my point too. There are valid reasons to go with closed source, open source may not be a viable option for a variety of concerns, including economic realities. The person I was replying to raised the issue of corporations that take and do not give back (which definitely exist) and I was responding to it.

Yes, we don't have a great business model for this yet. We see the problems caused by things like Elastic Search either locking away important features or getting killed by well funded incumbents like Amazon. My response was asking more, when you said "use cases" if there were non-economic ones you had in mind. Years ago I got it in my head that we needed an open source copy left license that allowed for automatic li…

The free-software answer to something like Amazon/ElasticSearch is a license that forces Amazon to pass on all their freedoms to their customers, which is something that Amazon doesn't want to do. That license isn't necessarily AGPL or SSPL as those have their problems.

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by My_Name »

Aurornis wrote: post #99
My_Name wrote: post #33

I use my printer to make prototypes for my business. There is no way in hell I'm sending them into the internet for some random to examine. I think my next printer will be mostly 3D printed, with a few generic parts like motor controllers, the odd bit of metal tubing, off the shelf bed levelling system, open source software etc. I only need single colour prints for work, and AFAIK the fastest printer on the planet is…

> There is no way in hell I'm sending them into the internet for some random to examine. I think it’s funny how much this battle has been contorted since it started. This fight started because someone added Bambu Cloud support back into OrcaSlicer because it’s what users wanted. These are the first 3 lines of Louis Rossman’s fork’s README: > This version of OrcaSlicer restores full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab…

You seem unaware of the push in the US for everything you print to be uploaded to the government somewhere to make sure you are printing something 'authorised'. It is being proposed for legislation as we speak.

This is just a step on that route.

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