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Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by orsorna »

coder543 wrote: post #128
kllrnohj wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Closed source IDEs are if anything the norm: Visual Studio, Android Studio, XCode, IntelliJ, CLion, PyCharm, etc... Even in the "fancy text editor" category things like Sublime were always popular enough.

Closed source? IntelliJ: https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community PyCharm: https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community/tree/master/... Android Studio: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/tools/adt/idea/+/r... Yes, they might offer extended proprietary editions/plugins in addition , but the IDEs themselves are open source.

None of these are the "norm". The IDEs OC mentioned all have a much larger install base.

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by RHSeeger »

shmel wrote: post #160
riskassessment wrote: post #46

I was surprised people were so willing to jump to closed source IDEs just for access to coding agents. The trade-off you pay for tight integration between the IDE and the coding agent is lock-in because the barrier to switching IDEs is nontrivial. Your coding environment stands a lower chance of disruption when you use an open source IDE with a CLI agent. Yes it's slightly annoying to separate the agent from the IDE…

Do we still need an IDE though? I am very happy with Claude Code last 6 months. I can totally see why Google got rid of everything, but the dialog box. Perhaps it was stupid to do that without warning, but ultimately this is the future.

I find this comment mind-boggling; in an honest confusion, not insulting way. I use Claude Code (and desktop) on a daily basis; but I can't even imagine doing anything complex without being able to see the code.

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by dolmen »

qiine wrote: post #115
ctippett wrote: post #62

I never really used the Antigravity IDE, but had it installed. The update also made me do a double take and wonder what the hell was going on. It seems like Google is hitting the reset button on the product they call "Antigravity", existing users be damned. Fine, if you've never installed or used the previous version before... but for existing users the "bait and switch" is incredibly disorientating. My take is they…

Sometimes I wonder if they even realize they have users...

Jules is still alive.

https://jules.google.com

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by 20k »

Its extremely funny seeing developers jumping on the AI train rediscovering in real-time why open source was invented. Not having control over the software running on your PC/devices, and being beholden to big business interests, is literally the reason why the entire FOSS scene exists. Developers have learnt the very VERY hard way to not rely on proprietary tooling

I don't know anyone who looked at antigravity and thought "this is a great idea, surely this big corporation wouldn't screw me over right?". Tying your development environment to the whims of google is.... maybe its simply OPs first rodeo with capitalism

Google does not care about you. They will fuck you over. If its in their business interests they'll format your harddrive without a second thought

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by groestl »

elzbardico wrote: post #146
drdrek wrote: post #3

I'm very surprised, goggle are usually known for their customer focused approach and long standing support of legacy systems!

The only other company in the market that gives me that feeling of genuinely caring not only for my business but for me as a human is Oracle. Oracle has taught me that there are more things in life than money.

More money right?

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by Tenoke »

Compared to gemini-cli which I was using the last few weeks it also doesn't:

1. Doesn't tell you your weekly qutoa (at least on Pro plan/all the time)

2. Your agent cant access the quota to not run some tasks at low quota

3. You cant see the context size

4. Your agent can't see the context size

5. You can't compact/compress

6. You have to keep starting new chats which also kill any processes it has running (e.g. a telegram listener)

7. Doesn't have a straightforward linux/wsl install (I ended up using the Windows IDE and pointing it to wsl).

And that's from just migrating a gemini-cli model and trying to set it up for an hour. Incredible downgrade for no reason.

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by nine_k »

RationPhantoms wrote: post #59
charcircuit wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as the legacy systems have billions of users. Otherwise they get shutdown once people run out of interest. See https://killedbygoogle.com/

You might have missed it but the OP's comment was dripping in literal sarcasm. Google's track record for product management is poor.

I like the moniker "elfing" applied to this form of sarcasm, as an opposite of "trolling".

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by lstodd »

orsorna wrote: post #161
coder543 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Closed source? IntelliJ: https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community PyCharm: https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community/tree/master/... Android Studio: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/tools/adt/idea/+/r... Yes, they might offer extended proprietary editions/plugins in addition , but the IDEs themselves are open source.

None of these are the "norm". The IDEs OC mentioned all have a much larger install base.

Do all of those installed on my various machines for the express purpose of a last resort of building some obscure crap about once a couple years count? Because of course I have them installed.. somewhere. And of course I wouldn't imagine using that crap daily.
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