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No more JetBrains products for me

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Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by pegasus »

lostmsu wrote: post #137
robrtsql wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They would rather back into a parking spot surrounded by stationary obstacles than back into a parking lot or road which may contain pedestrians or other drivers. I'm not saying _I_ back into spaces. I generally drive into spots and reverse out of them. However, I admit that what I do is a tradeoff where I take on risk in order to have a mechanically easier time entering and exiting the space.

This makes no sense. In either case the car traverses the same space once forwards and once backwards.

That's true, but what GP is saying is that when you're pulling out, you are traversing the part of the space overwhelmingly more likely to contain passing pedestrians and vehicles with full visibility.

And then some parking spots require parallel parking which is best done via backing up anyway.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by dingi »

Seems like apples to orange comparison. Text editors are always fast because they just don't provide that many features compared to an IDE. Language servers in my experience do not work that well for large projects. They feel pretty dumb. Refactoring tasks that miss some of the references is just one example. I frequently use multiple Jetbrains products like Rider, Idea, Webstorm, PyCharm, and CLion. No major complains. It takes some time to get going but after that it is mostly smooth sailing.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by pegasus »

0xc133 wrote: post #143
Aurornis wrote: post #114

> It is so remarkably slow, and I cannot begin to understand these people that are telling me that it runs fast. Granted, I tend to run older hardware Always hard to interpret these complaints when the author won't reveal what hardware they're talking about, other than that it's old. I think Zed is a great option for someone who is both highly critical of load times and has older hardware. I would not have recommende…

> so hyper-sensitive that a couple seconds of loading screen seen a few times a day is enough to trigger them Reportedly the xz supply chain compromise was first noticed by someone who reported his SSH connections took an extra 500 milliseconds. https://thegeekinsights.com/how-a-hacker-saved-the-internet/

That's a point well-taken, both non-obvious and relevant, but I'm still triggered by what I can only describe as dishonesty in the phrase quoted by GP. How can one "not understand" how other developers who clearly run (as most developers do) significantly faster hardware are not having the same issue? Unless one actively doesn't want to understand.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by pjmlp »

kstrauser wrote: post #126
ozim wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debuggers are much better in JetBrains or Visual Studio than using just an editor.

Had you honestly imagined that Emacs doesn't have excellent debugging tools?

No it doesn't, unless it magically got them since XEmacs, with someone taking the effort to duplicate all features in ELisp.

Running gdb as subprocess, with breakpoints, step, run, continue, is the basic stuff.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by pjmlp »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #31
pjmlp wrote: post #6

Well, Zed is a text editor with some plugins, while JetBrains products are full-blown IDEs, with abilities Zed will never offer.

Zed is also insanely capable for the short span its been around, and very responsive. I love JetBrains and used them for over a decade now, but I think I will likely cancel next year since I find myself only using Zed these days.

For a programming text editor.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by pancsta »

TLDR an IDE is a large program, buy ram.

This fellow isnt switching IDEs, just going to a tiny editor instead. I use JB daily and I despise their quality but they do get things right eventually (eg wayland). Ignore AI and remote development, use wayvnc. Open symlinked projects in a single window. Connect agents via IDE Index MCP (not the official one). Use a sidecar editor for magical autocomplete / niche LSP extensions (mirroring the IDEs config). You cant replace an IDE with an editor…

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by aki237 »

kstrauser wrote: post #126
ozim wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debuggers are much better in JetBrains or Visual Studio than using just an editor.

Had you honestly imagined that Emacs doesn't have excellent debugging tools?

Recently been using emacs' inbuilt debugger. Honestly it is nuts, how good it is.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by ozim »

kstrauser wrote: post #126
ozim wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debuggers are much better in JetBrains or Visual Studio than using just an editor.

Had you honestly imagined that Emacs doesn't have excellent debugging tools?

I imagine that just way more work was poured into VS/Jetbrains debuggers and that they have better UX and better features.

I don’t have to offer my soul to make it work just pay money ;)

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by xigoi »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #144
dlcarrier wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IDE's format and display text. Outside of compiling, they should respond instantly on a blight-ridden potato, with resources to spare.

Text editors just format and display text. IDEs have compilers, debuggers, indexers, source control integration, analysis tooling, WSL integration, SSH integration, and whatever plugins you might have installed.

Why would a compiler take up resources when you’re not compiling anything?

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by sph »

abhgh wrote: post #56

I am not particularly bothered by the speed but the AI suggestion clutter is quickly becoming an issue for me :( I type fragments of a line and it will suggest the next 5-6 lines. They may not be outright wrong, but they might not represent the way I like to do things . Pressing Esc. and refocusing on what I was going to type in anyway is a disruptive experience.

I’ve seen people code like this and it looks maddening. A sure fire way to break the state of flow and be distracted by nonsense.
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