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Multiple commencement speakers booed for AI comments during graduation speeches
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Re: Multiple commencement speakers booed for AI comments during graduation speeches
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Famously, justice is rarely (if ever) metered out when the accused person is wealthy and influential. This guy (allegedly) violently raped a woman on his boat and he still gets a speaking gig, so. "So"? The fact that someone is alleged of rape and doesn't lose their invited speech is hardly evidence of injustice. Allegations are not convictions nor proof of guilt. It seems you are against the presumption of innocen…
Note that I was not speaking on the guilt or innocence of any specific person, just pointing out that when it comes to committing sexual violence the incentives to make accusations don’t appear to actually mete out as is claimed because the people who are accused rarely, if ever, have any actual negative consequences.
> actually mete out as is claimed because the people who are accused rarely, if ever, have any actual negative consequences.
I think the opposite is true. Accusing someone of rape is often very bad for the accused person, even if the claim is never substantiated. False rape accusations are defamatory.
Re: Multiple commencement speakers booed for AI comments during graduation speeches
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> he very fact that he has to go around saying 'AI is inevitable, suck it up you live in our world now', proves that it's not true. If somebody visits a flat earther conference and says "you all need to accept the fact that the earth is not flat!" ... then this certainly doesn't prove that the earth is flat. I think you trip over your choice of words. If s/b in general has to go around saying that then your reasoning…
You’re right that it doesn’t prove anything. However, the amount of money and energy spent on trying to convince people that “AI will take jobs”, by parties who would benefit from it, implies that these parties maybe don’t fully believe it, or believe that it needs to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. If I am certain that I am winning, I sure don’t need to yell it from mountain tops. Unless my winning depends on everyon…
I understood the intention of the statement and actually agree with it mostly. My point was just about the line of reasoning. But then again I also mostly agree that "AI" will make many jobs superfluous. People like Schmidt don't just try to announce that into reality; their point is about speeding up the process as they are invested in it and benefit from it happening earlier than if things would just progress naturally.
Re: Multiple commencement speakers booed for AI comments during graduation speeches
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It's amazing that there are people who still believe in "it's just autocomplete". It hasn't been true for a long time, but currently it's position that reveals complete lack of awareness how good AI has become. It has solved Erdos problem using novel approach. Constant moving of goalpost is recurring theme when discussing AI, but it's really impossible to move it so far that you can frame this achievement as "impress…
I mean, tokens are passed as input to a model, which then outputs the next most-likely token. At the heart of it, that's the technology right? Why is it so silly to call that autocomplete? Because it's capable of impressive things?
I don't actually think its silly to call it auto complete.
Personally I could see it being either one. The LLM companies have drastically underfunded projects for things like interoperability. As long as inference is a black box we don't know whether its text prediction as a fancy tool or if something crazier has emerged that could be considered intelligent, self aware, conscious, etc. The former is easily assumed by the architecture, the latter seem far fetched but we simply can't know.
Re: Multiple commencement speakers booed for AI comments during graduation speeches
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I mean, tokens are passed as input to a model, which then outputs the next most-likely token. At the heart of it, that's the technology right? Why is it so silly to call that autocomplete? Because it's capable of impressive things?
> Because it's capable of impressive things? Precisely. Calling it autocomplete when it's capable of completing tasks that have nothing to do with autocomplete is silly. If you want to be consistent with your terminology, you'd have to call any stochastic process "autocomplete". What makes it double silly is that you can't really exclude that human intelligence is a stochastic process.
You're making an assumption that there is no difference between intelligence and auto complete with sufficient resources and learned patterns to complete tasks a human might do.
There may not be a difference there, I don't know but I wouldn't assume that intelligence is nothing more than sufficiently complex auto complete.
Re: Multiple commencement speakers booed for AI comments during graduation speeches
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And you draw all these conclusions from a 1 minute clip? Could it be that you are letting your own bias influence you?
No, I draw it from decades of living life and reading the news. I remember my college days, when the loony left ran the politics of the place, because normal people were uninterested, beyond having a good laugh at their right-on craziness, that achieved precisely nothing. Now social media puts their immature views front and center in our politics and their opinions are dragged ever further to the crazy left by profes…
I've always been against dismissive responses like "ok boomer", but you are really pushing it.
First of all you should say when your days were. Secondly I'm italian so whenever they were, that means absolutely nothing to me. Third, all of this is completely OT.
Re: Multiple commencement speakers booed for AI comments during graduation speeches
#167Related:
Eric Schmidt booed at University of Arizona after praising AI
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48172419
Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution
Re: Multiple commencement speakers booed for AI comments during graduation speeches
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> They shouldn't boo the amazing technology, but instead cheer for this liberation from toil Come on, we're all adults and well-aware that if companies find a way to make people more productive, it just means they'll expect more, not that we'll get more free-time.
Both sides are at fault here, no? A consumer could work part-time and live as well or even much better as someone 50 years ago, but they largely don't want to. I do concede of course that housing is a bit limiting factor here and my "just adapt your lifestyle" doesn't fully hold.
Can they?
In most places with any sort of economic opportunity, I have a very hard time believing that part time earnings would get you housing on par with a full time earner in 1976.
Re: Multiple commencement speakers booed for AI comments during graduation speeches
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Both sides are at fault here, no? A consumer could work part-time and live as well or even much better as someone 50 years ago, but they largely don't want to. I do concede of course that housing is a bit limiting factor here and my "just adapt your lifestyle" doesn't fully hold.
Can they? In most places with any sort of economic opportunity, I have a very hard time believing that part time earnings would get you housing on par with a full time earner in 1976.
They cant. Tech workers are just disconnected from real wages. Most people I know spend easily 40-60% of their monthly income on rent alone (if you're in University it'll be easily 80%+), all work full time. And thats in Europe, where living costs usually are much lower than in America. Some people just never leave their privileged circle and assume most people could get there somehow. I for sure couldn't afford a 50% pay cut.
(4000€ pre tax, ~2500€ post tax) This doesnt even get me a good flat in Germany.
Re: Multiple commencement speakers booed for AI comments during graduation speeches
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Because it's capable of impressive things? Precisely. Calling it autocomplete when it's capable of completing tasks that have nothing to do with autocomplete is silly. If you want to be consistent with your terminology, you'd have to call any stochastic process "autocomplete". What makes it double silly is that you can't really exclude that human intelligence is a stochastic process.
You're making an assumption that there is no difference between intelligence and auto complete with sufficient resources and learned patterns to complete tasks a human might do. There may not be a difference there, I don't know but I wouldn't assume that intelligence is nothing more than sufficiently complex auto complete.
I'm not making that assumption. Specifically - I'm not making any assumption about nature of human intelligence, including not making assumption that it's not stochastic process. You exclude possibility that it is stochastic process without any good reason for it (wanting to call AI complex auto complete while keeping human intelligence completely safe from that label really is not good reason).