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AI is a technology not a product

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Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Post by fuzzfactor »

whatshisface wrote: post #50
tobr wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This isn’t necessary fancy, just let me set some calendar events without knowing the magic words or tell it to open Overcast and play the new Gastropod episode. Better yet, for power users, let me set up reusable shortcuts using natural language. Isn’t this the proverbial ”faster horse”? Ie let me do exactly what I can do now, in a very slightly different, possibly very slightly more convenient way?

The whole point of AI is that if something different happens, it's not you doing it.

Not only that, but to many users the whole point of a computer is that it can do the same exact thing every time.

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Post by buu700 »

pyrolistical wrote: post #109
buu700 wrote: post #94

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I'd be more inclined to believe that an abundance of robotaxis will use predictive algorithms to preemptively show up wherever they're likely to be needed, allowing a UX where users can hail them like traditional taxis without an app. Maybe not in four years, but maybe in a decade or two. That feels both more credible and more desirable than the magic panopticon predicted in the quote, and doesn't really depend on an…

So robo taxis are going to stalk us?

lol, I mean I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't think I was describing anything fundamentally different in principle from what Uber/Lyft/taxis already do. Like when you walk out of an airport or a super busy bar/club and there's already a line of cabs waiting for anyone who needs one to get in.

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Post by nh2 »

kj4211cash wrote: post #157
justonceokay wrote: post #120

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Standard procedure at the time for a meeting was: - no PowerPoint - 1-6 page write up of the problem, proposed solution and timeline, and alternate methods that were not chosen - meeting participants ideally have already read the paper, but given 10-20 minutes in silence to read and mark up their thoughts. - presenter says their piece, mostly just summarizing the paper and clarifying tricky sections - intellectual bl…

We have a bunch of Amazon transplants who newly arrived at my company and have started doing this. I thought I would love it, because I'm a good writer, a great reader, not great at PowerPoint or meeting gamesmanship, etc. Turns out I kind of hate it. The silent reading time is annoying, especially when you've already read the doc or when most people are on zoom, etc. The intellectual bloodbath doesn't happen at my c…

Asking the grandparent:

The what is the idea behind the "ideally have already read the paper, but given 10-20 minutes in silence" part?

The fact that people that have already read it have nothing to do and waste time sitting around bored sounds like an obvious flaw, are we missing something?

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Post by neumann »

justonceokay wrote: post #120
copperx wrote: post #111

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Please go on. You mean at Amazon you would be grilled with questions if you were the presenter?

Standard procedure at the time for a meeting was: - no PowerPoint - 1-6 page write up of the problem, proposed solution and timeline, and alternate methods that were not chosen - meeting participants ideally have already read the paper, but given 10-20 minutes in silence to read and mark up their thoughts. - presenter says their piece, mostly just summarizing the paper and clarifying tricky sections - intellectual bl…

This is great when everyone is smart, aligned in the purpose, has no politics, dog in the fight, but awful everywhere else.

It's the difference between peer review by leaders in the field trying to make your paper better, and juniors wanting to be heard or insecure academics trying to get an ego boost by nit picking and wasting time.

Intellectual bloodbath sounds like so much of the latter with point scoring being the goal.

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Post by fuzzfactor »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #6

I totally agree - the phone as a form factor is not going away. People are always going to want to have a mobile communicator/computer, and want one with a screen and all-day battery life. The phone is not going to be replaced by smart glasses or some other wearable or screen-less pocket device. It may well be that the user interface of your "phone", and how you use it, changes over time as we progress toward AGI, bu…

>want to have a mobile communicator/computer, and want one with a screen and all-day battery life.

Well before the iPhone flew off the shelf, using the the previously established smartphones I never had to settle for less than a week of battery life.

Plus anybody could just slap in another spare battery whenever they wanted to, whether they were off the grid for an extended period or not.

Never thought it was going to end, only get better not worse.

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Post by baxtr »

justonceokay wrote: post #120
copperx wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please go on. You mean at Amazon you would be grilled with questions if you were the presenter?

Standard procedure at the time for a meeting was: - no PowerPoint - 1-6 page write up of the problem, proposed solution and timeline, and alternate methods that were not chosen - meeting participants ideally have already read the paper, but given 10-20 minutes in silence to read and mark up their thoughts. - presenter says their piece, mostly just summarizing the paper and clarifying tricky sections - intellectual bl…

I wonder if the 1-6 pages are all AI written nowadays and if people are allowed to use AI to summarize the pages. Anyone know?

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Post by baxtr »

neumann wrote: post #164
justonceokay wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Standard procedure at the time for a meeting was: - no PowerPoint - 1-6 page write up of the problem, proposed solution and timeline, and alternate methods that were not chosen - meeting participants ideally have already read the paper, but given 10-20 minutes in silence to read and mark up their thoughts. - presenter says their piece, mostly just summarizing the paper and clarifying tricky sections - intellectual bl…

This is great when everyone is smart, aligned in the purpose, has no politics, dog in the fight, but awful everywhere else. It's the difference between peer review by leaders in the field trying to make your paper better, and juniors wanting to be heard or insecure academics trying to get an ego boost by nit picking and wasting time. Intellectual bloodbath sounds like so much of the latter with point scoring being th…

That’s a great meta point.

Intellectual honesty, saying "I don’t know", for example, is only possible in low-politics environments. Otherwise, you make yourself vulnerable to the wolves.

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Post by marcus_holmes »

MrDarcy wrote: post #49
new_account_100 wrote: post #47

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> When theres so much value to be had from AI in normal products. Please elaborate

Replace search for one.

Search is great when you know what you're looking for.

I want a "how do I?" function alongside search that will explain their product to me. Especially since so many SaaS products have absolutely terrible UX - it looks lovely, but you cannot discover anything, and you cannot intuit how to do something. Menus auto-hide, scroll bars don't work so you don't realise there's another half of the page you're looking at, buttons don't have tooltips or any explanation of what they do, icons are lovely but don't actually describe the thing they do, colours are lovely but I'm colourblind so aren't helpful, there's no useful help page for "this is how to do the really obvious thing you're trying to do...", or at least not one that I can find using the search terms that make sense to me.

I think I'm at 1 success out of 15 attempts for Gemini to explain how to do something in Google Sheets/Docs, though, so I'm not hopeful that anyone can actually implement this.

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Post by ozim »

By the end of this decade, it’s unlikely that people will swipe on their phones to tap on Uber or Lyft

Oh that’s silly thinking.

I already have Alexa and Hue lights. Only thing I use voice is „play music/stop music”.

Turning off all lights or on all lights sometimes. Turning on specific lights app. If I spend time to name lights specific names that are quick to pronounce maybe I would use it more.

Silly part is imagine trying to order Lyft on airport when everyone tries to do the same …

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