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Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by F3nd0 »

lynndotpy wrote: post #98
jrm4 wrote: post #93

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Again, it's about 20 years too late, but the rename thing is absolutely correct and I continue to be gobsmacked by the amount of people here who don't get this, especially as I've seen this place slowly move from actually being about "hacking" to being about "tech and business." Perception matters; Y'all are so wild for this.

While I agree, and I've been hammering this point as a GIMP user for two decades I think the "GIMP is actually a fine name" are increasingly a minority. Its name makes GIMP hostile to user adoption. Anyone who works in a primarily English-spekaing country knows what it's like to try to use GIMP at work, especially in K-12. It's not like it was an accident, either. GIMP is a backronym because they wanted to name it af…

> Anyone who works in a primarily English-spekaing country knows what it's like to try to use GIMP at work, especially in K-12.

Over the many times this topic was brought up here, plenty of people from English-speaking countries have said that no, they’ve never had a problem with it.

Yes, some people did have a problem with it. It's a valid point to bring up. But that does not mean their experience must have been shared by literally everyone else, or even the majority of people in similar circumstances.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by lynndotpy »

mghackerlady wrote: post #152
lynndotpy wrote: post #137

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To repeat, it's not a collision, because it was not accidental. Kimball and Mattis named their image editor after the full-body sex-slave suit, on purpose. GIMP is a backronym. It's also worth emphasizing that "Pulp Fiction" is not an obscure movie, it was actually a very very popular movie from the 1990s and it's still relevant today. It won awards from every organization that gave movies awards. It was recently quo…

Do you have any evidence it was done on purpose? The devs have referenced the unfortunate name a few times but I think it is infinitely more likely they chose the name in reference to the poor quality of the software or as a normal acronym

Yes, I cited it an above comment: https://www.xach.com/gg/1997/1/profile/1/

Here is the full quote:

> > Your home page says that you created GIMP to address the lack of free or inexpensive Unix graphics tools. How did you guys actually get together to tackle this? Was it like in Blues Brothers? Were you on a mission from God?

> Spencer was my brother's roommate for four years. (He's been my roommate for the past six months). So I knew who he was when we decided to take the compilers course here together. Big mistake. During one of the impossibly boring assignments we decided we wanted to do something which wouldn't suck. The idea of doing the GIMP actually fell out fairly naturally.

> It took us a little while to come up with the name. We knew we wanted an image manipulation program like Photoshop, but the name IMP sounded wrong. We also tossed around XIMP (X Image Manipulation Program) following the rule of when in doubt prefix an X for X11 based programs. At the time, Pulp Fiction was the hot movie and a single word popped into my mind while we were tossing out name ideas. It only took a few more minutes to determine what the 'G' stood for.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by F3nd0 »

jrm4 wrote: post #94
TeddyDD wrote: post #53

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Good thing then that the most popular version control system on the planet does not have silly, unprofessional name...

I hear that objection and it's a decent one, but that one just isn't as well known. Even as an American, I'm not thrilled that "offensive in America" matters more, but it does.

I have the impression that many of the people who know ‘gimp’ as a slur only do because some of the others feel a need to bring it up every single time GIMP is mentioned anywhere ever.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by lynndotpy »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #160
lynndotpy wrote: post #151

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I'm gen Z, we know what Pulp Fiction is. Even the gen alphas do. We just had a crossover in Fortnite, and Pulp Fiction is in the Chainsaw Man opening. I'm anti-Puritan as well, but there are far better hills to die on. In either case, it's moot, since "gimp" is also used as an ableist slur. I haven't seen Footloose, but we don't need analogies to fictional movie villains. The facts are that they decided to give GIMP…

Sorry, a focus on thirty year old movies and "ableist slur"s puts you far outside the mainstream. These are simply not concerns of every day people, and doubly so for the half that voted tRump.

No need to apologize, you didn't know. In either case, it doesn't matter whether or not Pulp Fiction is "mainstream".

It does not matter what you think. It does not matter what I think. No amount of condescending comments online can go back and change it, the name "GIMP" has caused problems for people, including me, when trying to use it in professional and K-12 contexts.

The ways I personally learned people took offense at these words were when I was trying to use GIMP in highschool, asking if I could "use the GIMP" for a project. My instructor, a man who was paralyzed from the waist down, understandably thought I was punking him. I wouldn't learn this until later, but the most reasonable interpretation was that I was being a shithead, as many teenagers are.

When I explained "GIMP was like Photoshop but free", while Photoshop was already installed on the computers, you won't be surprised the conversation ended there and Photoshop won out.

It's not just that the name was insulting. In most peoples minds, nothing good is free, and "Free photoshop clone" was right up there with "Here's a prize for the 1,000,000th visitor" or "Download these free mouse cursors".

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by F3nd0 »

lynndotpy wrote: post #151
mixmastamyk wrote: post #147

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Ask anyone under fifty what "pulp fiction" was and prepare to get mostly blank stares. Can barely remember it myself. Reminds me of those creeps in "Footloose" trying to outlaw dancing. Puritanism can get fucked. ;-)

I'm gen Z, we know what Pulp Fiction is. Even the gen alphas do. We just had a crossover in Fortnite, and Pulp Fiction is in the Chainsaw Man opening. I'm anti-Puritan as well, but there are far better hills to die on. In either case, it's moot, since "gimp" is also used as an ableist slur. I haven't seen Footloose, but we don't need analogies to fictional movie villains. The facts are that they decided to give GIMP…

> and Pulp Fiction is in the Chainsaw Man opening.

Not looking to assess how well-known Pulp Fiction is in any particular generation, but Chainsaw Man opening seems to have plenty of obscure references that really say more about its authors than they do about its watchers.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by argee »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #120
elevation wrote: post #103

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> GIMP should take a lesson from Blender. Blender used to be the most clunky, unintuitive pieces of open source software. But after a decade and a half of UI development, it's one of the smoothest interfaces you'll ever use Agreed. I'm already willing to use GIMP in its current state. But though I've used it since I was a child, I have to re-google for things I know it can do. I had a photo of a barn. I was going to…

You can draw arrows with the pencil or paintbrush.

Not if you're a professional in a big boy company, where the MacOS users can literally draw a perfect arrow in 2 seconds on any image, without installing a thing. You're just going to look completely incompetent.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by jrm4 »

F3nd0 wrote: post #164
jrm4 wrote: post #94

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I hear that objection and it's a decent one, but that one just isn't as well known. Even as an American, I'm not thrilled that "offensive in America" matters more, but it does.

I have the impression that many of the people who know ‘gimp’ as a slur only do because some of the others feel a need to bring it up every single time GIMP is mentioned anywhere ever.

Respectfully, that's kind of a ridiculous "impression," easily refuted by many of us who have wanted to recommend GIMP to people.

And again, it's called "reading the room." Even if you don't care about it being "offensive" or a "slur," names still matter. Like, if the word "poop" was in the name of some otherwise good software.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by jrm4 »

croes wrote: post #142
jrm4 wrote: post #47

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The entirety of the capitalist business world, unfortunately.

Those who use Slack and Twitter and now X? If GIMP would create profit they could call it dogshit and the same people would visit the Shit-Con for business news

This is so painfully wrong it hurts; many a company has lived and/or died PURELY on name.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by jrm4 »

lynndotpy wrote: post #165
mixmastamyk wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, a focus on thirty year old movies and "ableist slur"s puts you far outside the mainstream. These are simply not concerns of every day people, and doubly so for the half that voted tRump.

No need to apologize, you didn't know. In either case, it doesn't matter whether or not Pulp Fiction is "mainstream". It does not matter what you think. It does not matter what I think. No amount of condescending comments online can go back and change it, the name "GIMP" has caused problems for people, including me, when trying to use it in professional and K-12 contexts. The ways I personally learned people took off…

Thank you for this. I hate doing "offense aside" but.

Offense aside, you can still understand that this is a bad idea without bringing in the spectre of "is it offensive."

Like I'm saying elsewhere, what if it was called "Poop-edit" or similar? People would quite reasonably not believe it to be quality software, even if it was.

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