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OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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But.... why ? Like I read his thing on how he spends the tokens [0] and it sounds like satire. He has agents write shitty code for features other agents think other people want, then has it reviewed by other agents in hopes of catching bugs that the first agent put there, then has some more agents try to find security bugs in the now double-agented code to make it triple-agented and at the end of the day, he spent a…

>He then has the sense of humor to call this grotesque process "incredibly lean". > What's the point in all of this? What problems is this solving? Who's benefiting? The economy doesn't work like how you think it does. Its not central planning. All the usages aren't detailed in a specification, submitted for approval to 100 agencies and then allowed to be used. It shows lack of intellectual curiosity to not engage de…

> what the implications are

like one bot finding similar issues and PRs, the another bot closing issues for "lack of activity", meanwhile people are reacting and pleading to speak to a real human?

Congrats builders of the future, you've turned software development into automated voice systems.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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post #112

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>He then has the sense of humor to call this grotesque process "incredibly lean". > What's the point in all of this? What problems is this solving? Who's benefiting? The economy doesn't work like how you think it does. Its not central planning. All the usages aren't detailed in a specification, submitted for approval to 100 agencies and then allowed to be used. It shows lack of intellectual curiosity to not engage de…

> The economy doesn't work like how you think it does. Its not central planning. I'm aware. That is in fact my central critique. The way it works is incredibly wasteful of our limited resources, as illustrated by this guy burning through fuel during a time of crisis for no perceptible gain. > It shows lack of intellectual curiosity to not engage deeply with obviously profound technology and what the implications are.…

> The way it works is incredibly wasteful of our limited resources

You should try playing the game “workers and resources”; it’s a simcity like game, but based in the Soviet system of central planning, not capitalism. It will make you loathe the inefficiencies in central planning.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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I don’t use openclaw myself anymore, but this agonizing is thin and unbearable. He did a thing. People use the thing. He got paid for the thing. He iterates the thing. What’s hard to understand about this? The morality issues about consumption climate impacts are not his alone, and are not unique by itself to his endeavor. Every company with an enterprise LLM agreement has a share, for instance.

> I don’t use openclaw myself anymore Firstly, who TF would use that crap in the first place at all ? Yeah, he did some crap he got paid for. So did the people who created the addictive algorithms for social and media or creators of the brainrot videos that infest kids' minds. Should we applaud them too?

You can hate it, but pretending it has no value isn’t a meaningful counter, esp given its user base. Gary Tan built GBrain on it. Poor logical fallacy-ing on your part.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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It’s hilarious to me, seeing that one of the most fundamental challenges and frustrations of the profession of software development is the inability of management to meaningfully measure productivity and resorting to proxy measures, that a huge and vocal community of software developers have themselves become focused on a metric that maps directly to dollars spent.

at this point capitalism has created its circular economy without providing any benefit to it's surrounding. In this specific case it's closer to a human centipede of circular funding.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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> I don’t use openclaw myself anymore Firstly, who TF would use that crap in the first place at all ? Yeah, he did some crap he got paid for. So did the people who created the addictive algorithms for social and media or creators of the brainrot videos that infest kids' minds. Should we applaud them too?

You can hate it, but pretending it has no value isn’t a meaningful counter, esp given its user base. Gary Tan built GBrain on it. Poor logical fallacy-ing on your part.

And?

The reality is if the thing can’t survive financially without being subsidised in the long run - it deserves to die.

There is no trend showing that these expensive things exist in the long run in this manner. - it’s pure speculation and for many: hopes and dreams.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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This is quite a misleading title because this is the raw API cost, but he (obviously) has unlimited usage as an OpenAI employee. Moreover, if you use e.g. the $200 Codex sub, you get about ~$5k-$6k monthly API usage if you spend every week of your usage, if not more, which shows that the raw API cost is not how much it (likely) costs to OpenAI, unless they're subsidizing all this. He did clarify that it was with fast…

"The tokens are how anthropic makes profit" vs "It's not actually worth that amount of usage"

ya'll cant have it both ways; either it's really worth the cost or it's a bunch of token burn with no smoke.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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post #166

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You can hate it, but pretending it has no value isn’t a meaningful counter, esp given its user base. Gary Tan built GBrain on it. Poor logical fallacy-ing on your part.

And? The reality is if the thing can’t survive financially without being subsidised in the long run - it deserves to die. There is no trend showing that these expensive things exist in the long run in this manner. - it’s pure speculation and for many: hopes and dreams.

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Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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post #72

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Peter shows the near-term future. Raw API consumer price cost is arbitrary. (The frontier labs can put a 100x markup to cover other operational expenses.) The true cost of inference with same-capability models keeps dropping at dizzying rates, especially at the data-center batch size. (Due to both NVidia hardware and algorithmic changes.) So the developments that Peter can achieve today with internal support from Ope…

Peter shows shit. What did Peter meaningfully achieve? What additional revenue is he creating? ah yes - shit and more shit on all accounts as it seems.

the grift economy requires hype men. Keep up bro.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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post #10

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Sounds like a healthy industry, selling tokens at 1000x below cost.

I would bet money Anthropic and OpenAI are actually profitable on inference. The problem is they have to spend large sums of money to train models that are essentially worthless after a few months.

Dario explicitly stated this in an interview.

They make more money from inference than they do training the model, but then the next model gets so much more expensive to train so their annual figures have been in the red.

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