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Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

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Re: Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

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post #62

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Because its my money, paid to rich people, to make them richer. There's no obvious "net positive financial benefit" in many of these situations, and even if there was the impact they make is not just in financials, but in utility management, environmental management, etc - its not just a magic number go up.

It's not your money. Tax breaks are no ones money. No money is being sent for a tax break.

If we all have a debt to pay and yours is wiped off the ledger for some bullshit so and my dollars have to stretch further to pay for something, you stole my money.

Re: Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

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post #100

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I'm not at all surprised to learn that Republican politicians royally screwed their constituents. I was going to say maybe these people will vote better next time just to read that Colorado governor is commuting the sentence of Tina Peters. Democratic leadership is so freaking weak it's unbelievable. With one party full of grifters and the other with full of weaklings, we need to abolish this two-party system.

Louisiana had a Democratic governor from 2016-2024.

This is missing enormous amounts of context.

JBE came in before Trump made it a sin to vote Democrat in Louisiana and after Jindall (2 term republican) did such a horrific job that the GOP couldn’t recover no matter who they ran. He also faced possibly one of the worst candidates in history in Rispone for his second term. He was one of the last blue dog democrats, had decades of great reputation built up, and had no problem being extremely cozy with oil/gas. He walked a very thin line super confidently and basically was a 1990 Democrat. It didn’t hurt that he basically saw him nothing but success during both of his tenures. He was an incredibly capable governor.

Frankly he’s an anomaly. They won’t have Democrat Governor for decades just like WV won’t have a democrat senator again for a long time since Manchin left.

Keep in mind Louisiana has had a Republican legislature for literally decades now, a super majority years-running currently. The current state is the result of Republican policies and it’s a red fortress for the foreseeable future, especially with the changes they made to primaries and voting, coupled with the recent SCOTUS ruling on gerrymandering. No matter what happens in the coming midterms, I guarantee you the legislature will remain a super major majority for the Republicans. It is a cartel state now where they literally remove positions when Democrats win, as New Orleans learned with their court clerk who was recently elected.

Louisiana is THE Republican state and offers too few electoral votes for the Democrats to pay attention to it. And every year they stay away from it the deeper entrenched Republicans become as they pass more and more laws of favoring their ability to keep their seats. The current legal landscape is so dire it’s an understatement to call it an uphill battle for non-republicans.

Re: Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

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post #149

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> I very much have an opinion on the subject and never claimed otherwise Of course you do. That’s why I said something. Your omission is the problem, you intentionally didn’t say anything. > What makes you think that this is something I’m obscuring? This entire comment chain explains why I think that I don’t know why we’re playing games here - just be straight with people out the gate. Opacity doesn’t facilitate conv…

Ah, I see, you have an emotional / personal investment in this topic. That’s why my harmless request for evidence offends you. I won’t engage further then because it won’t be productive. I’ll continue to call out baseless claims of course, but I don’t think there’s any amount of argumentation or evidence that could convince you since you arrived at your position via feeling - proof or citations are just window dressi…

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Re: Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

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The climate doesn't pay taxes. Unless the people living around them are investing $200 million into a datacenter they would not fall under the bill.

> The climate doesn't pay taxes. It's more likely to impose them.

and the price will not be in currency.

Re: Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

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What's are the positives for local communities for data centers? I see only negatives. At least prisons have to hire people.

Sure, in Loudon County, which has the highest concentration of data centers in the world, has seen its property tax rate fall about 40% since 2010. This is due to data centers representing about half the tax base now.

Key difference with this and TFA though: Loudon has never offered a tax abatement

There's one example. I'm not saying on the whole they're positive.

Re: Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Louisiana had a Democratic governor from 2016-2024.

This is missing enormous amounts of context. JBE came in before Trump made it a sin to vote Democrat in Louisiana and after Jindall (2 term republican) did such a horrific job that the GOP couldn’t recover no matter who they ran. He also faced possibly one of the worst candidates in history in Rispone for his second term. He was one of the last blue dog democrats, had decades of great reputation built up, and had no…

You’re missing the killshot that JBE delivered when a question came up about Vitter being faithful to his wife during the debate on live TV and the fact that formerly the governor appointed the speaker of the house in Louisiana, but when Edwards was elected, that power was taken away

Re: Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

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post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not at all surprised to learn that Republican politicians royally screwed their constituents. I was going to say maybe these people will vote better next time just to read that Colorado governor is commuting the sentence of Tina Peters. Democratic leadership is so freaking weak it's unbelievable. With one party full of grifters and the other with full of weaklings, we need to abolish this two-party system.

Does the commutation of Tina Peters' sentence have anything at all to do with this situation?

"Colorado’s Democratic governor commutes ex-election clerk Tina Peters’ sentence after Trump pressure"[0]

I'd say it has nothing to do with the article but a lot to do with the context of OP's post.

0. https://apnews.com/article/tina-peters-polis-colorado-clemen...

Re: Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

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post #100

From https://sherwood.news/tech/hyperion/ >> Per the report, the package of tax breaks and incentives was achieved through local officials bound by nondisclosure agreements, quietly struck legislative deals, and parliamentary sleight of hand to avoid public scrutiny of the deal. >> So the residents of Richland Parish did not have much of a heads-up on what was coming. No voting, no public interests, only closed-door…

I'm not at all surprised to learn that Republican politicians royally screwed their constituents. I was going to say maybe these people will vote better next time just to read that Colorado governor is commuting the sentence of Tina Peters. Democratic leadership is so freaking weak it's unbelievable. With one party full of grifters and the other with full of weaklings, we need to abolish this two-party system.

I couldn't agree more. What voters want is progressive policies (healthcare, housing, childcare, taxing mega-corps, etc). Dems are absolutely allergic to anything of the sort. The funny thing is that a lot of people voting on the other side want these things too. It's just that in a vacuum, they also want revenge for society changing without them enough to vote for that when it's dangled in front of them.

I was listening to a podcast recently talking about how if Dems ran on a platform of, "we're going to abolish all the BS from this admin and do the trials correctly and put these crooks in jail," they'd have tons of support (and I agree). But tepid positions and weak statements with no real plan to do anything (other than preserve the status quo) has become the party's playbook. No wonder it's failing.

Re: Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is missing enormous amounts of context. JBE came in before Trump made it a sin to vote Democrat in Louisiana and after Jindall (2 term republican) did such a horrific job that the GOP couldn’t recover no matter who they ran. He also faced possibly one of the worst candidates in history in Rispone for his second term. He was one of the last blue dog democrats, had decades of great reputation built up, and had no…

You’re missing the killshot that JBE delivered when a question came up about Vitter being faithful to his wife during the debate on live TV and the fact that formerly the governor appointed the speaker of the house in Louisiana, but when Edwards was elected, that power was taken away

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Re: Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is missing enormous amounts of context. JBE came in before Trump made it a sin to vote Democrat in Louisiana and after Jindall (2 term republican) did such a horrific job that the GOP couldn’t recover no matter who they ran. He also faced possibly one of the worst candidates in history in Rispone for his second term. He was one of the last blue dog democrats, had decades of great reputation built up, and had no…

You’re missing the killshot that JBE delivered when a question came up about Vitter being faithful to his wife during the debate on live TV and the fact that formerly the governor appointed the speaker of the house in Louisiana, but when Edwards was elected, that power was taken away

Yeah unfortunately that was a big trend for a while. Republican legislatures/governors stripping powers on the way out. Wisconsin had a pretty notorious moment there with Walker
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